
#306
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Posted: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 - 01:44 AM UTC
Thanks Andrew!  
 
 I think you may be correct-it looks like scratch building them may be my only option...  
 
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#306
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Posted: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 - 03:58 PM UTC
Stay home and build models! 
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Posted: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 - 11:10 PM UTC
Great stuff Russ,
The flyhawk AA does look good, although I think I prefer the separate breeches of the Veteran twin 37's.
Having said that, He is looking outstanding!
Good luck on the final push, looking forward to the commissioning.
Cheers
Si

#306
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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 03:11 AM UTC
Thanks mate  
 
 Nearly there now-Boats, cranes, and masts to be built next. Most of the remaining PE is painted already so it's just a matter of fitting out 

The Flyhawk stuff is nice, but not easy. Unfortunately they seem to be the only company offering the AA suite that is correct for this fit of the Prinz. Even then, they seem to be as rare as hen's teeth.
By not putting shields on them, I'd say the designers of the guns were either pretty arrogant in thinking that no-one would be shooting back at them, or that the crews manning them would be impervious to returning fire  
 
 I think it was soon put right on the next re-fit and shields were added and/or the guns replaced altogether 
 
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#335
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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 04:51 AM UTC
Wow Russ,
It is looking amazingly sharp. A very clean build. 

I have never used Flyhawk PE but those guns pretty good and I admired your ability to assemble the PE on the fret and not have it come apart when you remove the parts. 
Getting closer.
cheers
Michael 
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#306
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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 06:23 AM UTC
Cheers mate  
 
 I find the trick with assembling PE on the fret, is to cut through all but 2-3 key attachment points before assembling all the other components to it. That way you've only a couple of points to cut afterwards  
 
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#424
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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 11:03 AM UTC
Russell,
   Wow, you've really made some great progress.  Some great feasting for the eyes!  That AA kit really looks good.
Gaz
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Frederick The Great

#306
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Posted: Sunday, April 09, 2017 - 02:57 AM UTC
Thanks Gary  
 
 Hoping to get finish off the bridge details this week and add a few more railings  
 
 Stay home and build models! 
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#345
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Posted: Saturday, April 29, 2017 - 11:55 PM UTC
Hi Russ,
wow, that's quite a lot of small stuff there - lots of tiny AA, reminds me of my last weeks before my leave...
Your Prinz looks absolutely awesome mate, and by now commissioning should be in sight!!
Cheers,
Jan

#306
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Posted: Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 09:48 AM UTC
Cheers mate! 
Welcome back from your vacation! Looking forward to seeing some updates from your workbench as you ease back into "real life"!  
 
 I'm working on the boats and cranes at the moment which is proving a bit tedious  
 
 Stay home and build models! 
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Posted: Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 02:45 PM UTC
Hi Russ,
Good luck with the boats and cranes, know you mean about tedious.
Looking forward to seeing them come to fruition.
Cheers
Si

#306
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Posted: Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 02:57 PM UTC
Thanks Si...
yer, another case of PE correct to plans, but not fitting the styrene... The slots on the davits for the boats keels are way too narrow... sigh... 
and the crane, well that's just odd... its a case of kit bashing the styrene with the PE...  
 
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#377
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Posted: Monday, May 01, 2017 - 12:44 AM UTC
Russell,
 It's been a while since I have been on but so I am catching up on your progress and all I can say is WOW!!!  Incredible work.  Really like the detail the Flyhawk AA guns bring to the table.
 Great work
 Dave
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#306
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Posted: Monday, May 01, 2017 - 04:47 PM UTC
cheers Dave! 
great to see you back!  
 
 Stay home and build models! 
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#377
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Posted: Monday, May 01, 2017 - 09:51 PM UTC
Russell,
 thanks, its good to be back!
 Dave
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Posted: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 - 12:27 AM UTC
Ahoy Russell
Superb update.
Great work and you have somehow regained your building momentum again. 
Totally admire you for that.
Cheers
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Posted: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 - 01:13 AM UTC
Hi Russ,
The usual issues then,  I do understand boats that don't sit in the cradles and cranky cranes.
I am sure a modeller of your calibre will sort them out! 
 
   
 Cheers
Si

#306
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Posted: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 - 02:44 AM UTC
 Sean thanks Sean  
 
 yep, it's been a slog, but am getting there. 
I'm going to need a nice cup of tea and some time with some red box wing things after this one commissions  
 
 Mrs E was also kind enough to supply me with the all time ultimate space fighter: Incom's T65 X-Wing from Bandai... somehow I think they may find it's way onto the bench very soon!  
 Si
  Si Thank you Si. I'm thinking of putting a cut in the keel of the boats where the davits locate... As for the cranes-well, it's kit bash time!  
 Technical Questions
  Technical Questions Now, for all you DKM experts out there, does anyone know if the searchlight platform on the main mast was planked (as Trumpy show it), steel deck in light grey, or steel deck in dark grey?
So far I'm leaning towards steel deck in dark grey...
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#345
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Posted: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 - 09:29 AM UTC
Hi Russ,
I would agree with you - steel dark paint - but I can't prove it since I'm away from all of my DKM reference books...
Cheers,
Jan

#306
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Posted: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 - 05:56 AM UTC
Okay, folks, another  
technical question dun dun DUN!
Currently working on the ship's boats, but they are less than satisfactory: Essentially they are just solid blobs of plastic with no windows and the aftermarket available for them doesn't give me much hope on rectifying that.
So, what are my options here?
1. Leave as is and go with the flow.
or
2. If I can get my hands on some plans/drawings of the ship's boats I can model them up in 3d CAD and have them printed on shapeways!
The bonus here is that they'll be available for others who need them too! These are the same boats that were used on many DKM ships so they'll be of use across a lot more ships than just the Prinz!
So, if anyone has plans/drawings that they'd be willing to share, drop me a line please 
 
 In the meantime I shall continue working on other areas of the ship. 
PS. Revell only sent 2 directors, here's hoping they send 2 more! 
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Posted: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 - 12:28 AM UTC
Good fix for the lower halve of the boats Russ, 
Had a dig through my references, The Kagero 3D book shows the searchlight platform steel, but light grey, (But that is 1945 fit), the Seaforth German Camo book for 1941 shows it dark grey. No doubt Jan will have better references than that.
I do have some basic drawings in the Top Drawings book on Tirpitz of German boats, 4 view, and a scrap sketch of each of what they call the "Admiral's Boat", Transport motor boat, fast motor boat and cutter, can scan you the page if that would help.
Si

#306
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Posted: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 - 02:41 AM UTC
Thanks Si  
 
 I've contacted the BundesArchiv in Germany to see if they can help. According to their website they have good naval records so fingers crossed. Hey, somebody's got to have plans somewhere given all the ship kits that come out with these boats on board. Even HMS Eskimo kit from Trumpy had German boats!  
 
 Jan's also provided some very useful drawings, so that's a good start point. 
For the mast platforms, I think you may be right. In 1945 it was probably light grey, but in 1941   
according to Eric Leon dark grey platforms would be accurate.
Now, back to battle with the cranes!  
 
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Posted: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 - 05:29 AM UTC
Quoted Text
 ...does anyone know if the searchlight platform on the main mast was planked (as Trumpy show it), steel deck in light grey, or steel deck in dark grey?...
Hi Russ,
Here are a couple of pictures of Prinz Eugen’s mainmast showing the searchlight platform there.


The platform decking appears to be wood. On the extreme left of the second picture you can even see some of the wooden plugs used to cover the securing bolts in the planks.  As for color... maybe Kriegsmarine deck gray? The shade appears similar to the fragment of non-slip steel deck visible by the sailor and boxes to the right.

#424
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Posted: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 - 05:41 AM UTC
Hi Russell,
    Any luck with German boats and cranes?  I found this pic that might give you some help in your search:    

Good luck!
Gaz 
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Frederick The Great

#424
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Posted: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 - 05:55 AM UTC
...and if you wanna spend some money, this guy has all kinds of stuff:
 http://www.ship-model-today.de/schiffsdetails.htmHe's got some great pics there, but unfortunately everything on the pages aren't linked to anything.  But, it's a start.
Gaz 
"Artillery adds dignity, to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl."
Frederick The Great