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Pier 51 Lighthouse Painting
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 10:12 AM UTC
Thanks Skipper and Kenny,

I'll dwell on it for a day or two lol, lol. Had to re-think the beam as it was pointed out to me it couldn't or wouldn't have been secured above a doorway, pity won't fit any other way.

Cheers guys

Al

After thought. I could erect an I beam frame around the door and also the genny and rig the beam between the two. Do you think this would be worth the effort and add anything to the scene???

AL
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Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 07:55 PM UTC
The generator room is really taking shape and looking good.

Food for thought on the hoist and windows-

How about a series of short narrow windows. Just below ceiling height all the way around the external walls. Set as if between the studs. Then have the hoist mounted below them. I am no engineer but it seems to me that you would want the walls supporting the hoist as in tact as possible.

The hoist in this situation I think would use three I beams.
Put roller bearing trolleys on the end of the hoist I beam, and have the trolleys riding under the other two- in an H configuration. This not only divides and disperses the load, but allows for three dimensional movement of the load nearly any where in the room.
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 07:08 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

Redshirt thanks for the thoughts.

Glenn sorry mate I had to see this as a clear space without the stone. I couldn't get my head around the contrast of colours. So here's the space with a quick coat of paint.





I've altetred the door slightly as it dominated the small wall. The options would be to paint it all one colour, or get some veneer and re-scribe it as planking. I am not concerned about a perfect finish as the interior would be quite basic and rough.

Two thoughts: One colour enlarges the space and planking will shrink it again!!

Further thoughts folks.

Al
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 09:25 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

I've settled on the plastered walls. My reasoning for this is that it could easily have had a layer of brick topped by timber, the walls are thick enough and that with the roof on how much will actually be seen. This shoud throw a lot of light around through the skylights.

More painting to do and some more small objects to organise but I think I'll go with this general look.









Cheers

Al
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 10:20 AM UTC
Alan

I think that you manage to turn the issues into solved problems!
The generator room is much better, but I think that the wall is too white
Some dirt? Smears? Clumsy engineer/mechanic?

Not to spoil your fun, but in some old buildings on this point of the world, namely Lighthouses, would have the generator rooms and the dirty areas painted in two colours: usually a pale light grey or pale light green up to the sholder level (with a enamel paint, so that could easily be cleaned) and up and ceilling in white.

Don't know if the same would be applied to british lighthouses during the 40's
Hope that I brought some light
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 10:38 AM UTC
Hi Skipper,

Thanks for the feedback, still more work to do just got a first coat on, so some oil/greese stains on the walls/bench and some weathering around the pipe and fan to do. Finish the door and re do the top shelf and tools to contrast each other.

Know what you mean about the split paint scheme. There was a horrible sickely green scheme around many buildings after the war but I don't recall ever having seen it in Lighthouses.

There was a bit of a paint shortage in Britain during the war so not too sure if it would have gotten more than a whitewash. Perhaps the painters just finished lol, lol.

Cheers

Al

Edit: seems like a good place for a few more pin ups lol, lol.
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 10:43 AM UTC

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There was a bit of a paint shortage in Britain during the war so not too sure if it would have gotten more than a whitewash. Perhaps the painters just finished lol, lol.

Cheers

Al

Edit: seems like a good place for a few more pin ups lol, lol.



Hmm wouldn't the lighthouse be there, in the first place? Before the war?
If so, than it should look "used"

Pin-ups (the incentive) and the usual posters (to win the war incentive) will look good
Skipper
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 10:45 AM UTC

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Not to spoil your fun, but in some old buildings on this point of the world, namely Lighthouses, would have the generator rooms and the dirty areas painted in two colours (...)



Just this/these areas Alan
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 05:45 PM UTC

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Not to spoil your fun, but in some old buildings on this point of the world, namely Lighthouses, would have the generator rooms and the dirty areas painted in two colours (...)



Just this/these areas Alan
Skipper



- Morning Skipper, I take it you'd like two colours then

Again, many thanks for the feedback.

AL
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 08:21 PM UTC
no other comments than "does look really really very good"
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2007 - 10:49 PM UTC
Morning jba,

Many thanks, just a quick whilst my morning IT class log in.

Hope to get a fair bit done this afternoon when I get home but it's the small details that always seem to take a lot of time lol, lol.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 12:44 AM UTC
Hi Alan,

Lovely generator room, but I do agree with Skipper concerning the dirt/grime on the walls. Being an engineer if you have to work in a confined area beside a generator you would tend to put your hands/shoulders on the wall as you move around it. The dirt would not be great but would take the white sheen away.

Ciao
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 02:25 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

Not convinced by this idea of a lime green, slime green half finish, Just looks c - - p, Deep green like the Genny might work, grey to tone in with the floor or deep red.

Painting the walls like this means it's probably necessary to paint the floor too and I didnlt really wantt to do that.







Looks more like a cell than a genny room.

Al
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 02:49 AM UTC
Not a great pic, but this would seem more workman like.

Al



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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 05:01 AM UTC
Hi Alan

Well, all this mess was because of my tip
The second choice of colours are ok with me - but it's you who have to decide!!!

Skipper
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 06:44 AM UTC
Hi Skipper,

Experimentation is the only way Comments are alweays welcome, Good, Bad or In-different., it's how we learn.

Greetings all,

Thanks for all the feedback folks- some updates on the Generator Room, some pics of the 1st floor Radio Room in reasonable light and some overall pics of progress so far. There is a long way to go on this one yet











Radio Room









General Progress





























Cheers

Al
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 08:24 AM UTC
Hi Alan,

You really did a great painting job! This is going to be a splendid dio!

Congrats,
Claude
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 08:26 AM UTC
I have to say Alan that I think putting any kind of covering on that amazing Genny and its room is bordering on the criminal.



This is incredible work.
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 09:04 AM UTC
Hi Claud,

Many thanks for the feedback. Glad you like it so far.

Hi Murdo,

Sorry forgot to put the LED in lol, lol.

Maybe I should open up one of the skylights!!! Only troube is I'm not much on making windows and with no Local Model Shop it's hard to work out what's best to get and use, I'm a sort of see it feel it person lol, lol.

I haven't decided what's best to do with the light yet. I could weather it down but one part of me says paint it fresh and well maintained which is how I think it would have been, a bit like the first early pics. More to think on.

Anyway with the bulk of the work done on the interior I can think about the outside and what's the best way to finish it. Still there is a long way to go yet and if I can alter the windows then the figures I use will probably change too.

Cheers guys and thanks to all who contributed.

Al
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 09:12 AM UTC
Alan,

Incredible amount of detail! I think that the opened skylight would be a good option (it would create a "diversion" on that area and also would allow for a better peak inside!)
Think of that (Oh No!! Not HIM again!!!)

Skipper

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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 09:27 AM UTC
Hi Skipper,

Glad you like the latest layout. On the windows I'm giving that serious thought. I just need to source the correct materials and summon up the courage to replace them lol, lol.

Good idea on the split colour scheme. Did you spot the 5 oily rags I put in especially for you? Can you find them

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 11:23 AM UTC
Super job Alan!
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 10:36 PM UTC
Hi Kenny,

Thanks for looking and glad you approve.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 04:20 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Fuel tank for the Generator




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Posted: Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 04:37 AM UTC
That's cool. You may want to add a little fuel spill down the side of the tank.