Hi Tim,
I am not sure it they are better than etched parts, on the up side, no issues with folding, on the downside painting them is real fun.
Will reserve judgement until I have finished the boats.
Watch this space.
Cheers
Si
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Posted: Friday, November 13, 2015 - 12:22 AM UTC
Si,
I fully agree with your intend - this will definitely add a little color, regardless if it'S the Admiral's or the Captain's boat!!
I am even considering - well, far future, she's still waiting in my stash - to build here with the Arado airplane, knowing that there was non on her last cruise. It just looks so much more interesting with the plane on the catapult...
Cheers,
Jan
I fully agree with your intend - this will definitely add a little color, regardless if it'S the Admiral's or the Captain's boat!!
I am even considering - well, far future, she's still waiting in my stash - to build here with the Arado airplane, knowing that there was non on her last cruise. It just looks so much more interesting with the plane on the catapult...Cheers,
Jan
ghauser
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Posted: Friday, November 13, 2015 - 12:48 AM UTC
I have a decision to make for the Tone and I have conflicting information. I figured I would ask everyone's opinion before proceeding. On the upper rear deck of the Tone where the catapults are, tamiya is showing this area with linoleum deck.
I have the Kagero book and the Japanese heavy cruisers books which show this area as grey deck.
Most of the other Japanese cruisers I have seen will usually have the aircraft deck in grey, but Tamiya is usually pretty accurate.
What do you guys think?
I have the Kagero book and the Japanese heavy cruisers books which show this area as grey deck.
Most of the other Japanese cruisers I have seen will usually have the aircraft deck in grey, but Tamiya is usually pretty accurate.
What do you guys think?
JJ1973
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Posted: Friday, November 13, 2015 - 12:48 AM UTC
...and a little update on Belfast!
Got all the wooden decks down, added some small stuff to the after superstructure and fixed the upper deck in place; added the hangar doors forward and re-installed the ladders that were lost earlier, and added the paravanes.
I like the look with all the decks down...looks like quite some progress, even so putting the wooden decks in place itself was fairly easy, and again, the Artwox decks are a fantastic fit!
So much for today, more pictures as usually on my Belfast build log.
Cheers,
Jan
Got all the wooden decks down, added some small stuff to the after superstructure and fixed the upper deck in place; added the hangar doors forward and re-installed the ladders that were lost earlier, and added the paravanes.
I like the look with all the decks down...looks like quite some progress, even so putting the wooden decks in place itself was fairly easy, and again, the Artwox decks are a fantastic fit!
So much for today, more pictures as usually on my Belfast build log.
Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Friday, November 13, 2015 - 12:55 AM UTC
The wood decks look great Jan. I always think they add a lot to a ship.
I have another question about the Tone in addition to my previous post. The tracks for the aircraft trolleys in the LionRoar set are placed on a diamond plate runner, but all the pics I have seen just have the tracks on the deck.
I was thinking of just installing the tracks directly to the deck and leaving off the diamond plate PE.
What do you think?
I have another question about the Tone in addition to my previous post. The tracks for the aircraft trolleys in the LionRoar set are placed on a diamond plate runner, but all the pics I have seen just have the tracks on the deck.
I was thinking of just installing the tracks directly to the deck and leaving off the diamond plate PE.
What do you think?
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Posted: Friday, November 13, 2015 - 01:36 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I have a decision to make for the Tone and I have conflicting information. I figured I would ask everyone's opinion before proceeding. On the upper rear deck of the Tone where the catapults are, tamiya is showing this area with linoleum deck.
I have the Kagero book and the Japanese heavy cruisers books which show this area as grey deck.
Most of the other Japanese cruisers I have seen will usually have the aircraft deck in grey, but Tamiya is usually pretty accurate.
What do you guys think?
Based on this overhead view of Chikuma:
I would recommend you follow Tamiya and paint the aircraft deck linoleum without the diamond nonslip tracks. In the photo the aircraft deck color appears to match the linoleum deck forward; the darker tone of the linoleum on the lower-level main deck aft may be because it is wet from bomb explosions (note the damaged stern).
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Posted: Friday, November 13, 2015 - 03:05 AM UTC
Thanks Tim for the photo. I am leaning toward the tamiya scheme and found a colorized photo that shows the deck as linoleum color if the photo can be trusted.
But I also found a copy of the Yankee Modelworks Tone instructions that say to paint it grey.
What a dilemma.
But I also found a copy of the Yankee Modelworks Tone instructions that say to paint it grey.
What a dilemma.
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Posted: Friday, November 13, 2015 - 02:51 PM UTC
Hi Jan,
That's that sorted then, I must admit I had to work hard to resist the Arado, I do like planes on catapults, but you go for it mate.
Belfast is coming on well, the camouflage is coming together nicely.
Cheers
Si
That's that sorted then, I must admit I had to work hard to resist the Arado, I do like planes on catapults, but you go for it mate.
Belfast is coming on well, the camouflage is coming together nicely.
Cheers
Si
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Posted: Friday, November 13, 2015 - 03:00 PM UTC
Hi Greg and Tim,
Interesting debate, As I planning to get hold of the Chikuma as a second build for the Guadalcanal campaign.
Will only be using the eduard sets on that as they are easily obtainable in the UK.
The photos are excellent.
Thanks guys.
Cheers.
Si
Interesting debate, As I planning to get hold of the Chikuma as a second build for the Guadalcanal campaign.
Will only be using the eduard sets on that as they are easily obtainable in the UK.
The photos are excellent.
Thanks guys.
Cheers.
Si
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Posted: Sunday, November 15, 2015 - 10:29 AM UTC
Thanks Si! I will see about the Arado - some other build in line first, Sink the Bismarck campaign already approaching (well, next May, but due to my building speed my next project most likely will be for that...)... 
Greg, looking forward to see your Tone growing. Sorry that I can't help with your questions, I do like the IJN ships, but my knowledge about them is somewhat embryonic...
Cheers,
Jan
I will see about the Arado - some other build in line first, Sink the Bismarck campaign already approaching (well, next May, but due to my building speed my next project most likely will be for that...)... Greg, looking forward to see your Tone growing. Sorry that I can't help with your questions, I do like the IJN ships, but my knowledge about them is somewhat embryonic...
Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, November 15, 2015 - 10:56 PM UTC
Greg,
Sorry for my late reply, I have been trying to research your question. From what I can see you can go either way. I do know at some point the IJN removed linoleum from certain ships as it was determined to be a fire hazard. That being said a good way to determine linoleum verse a flat metal deck is the presence of the brass strips.
The linoleum was fitting in 8 x 4 foot sheets, (dimensions might be a little off) and the brass strip was used to secure them to the deck.
If you choose to go with the gray deck you would just need to remove the molded brass strips.
Hope that helps. Kagero has their 3D rendered picture book which might provide additional information regarding the decking.
Dave
Sorry for my late reply, I have been trying to research your question. From what I can see you can go either way. I do know at some point the IJN removed linoleum from certain ships as it was determined to be a fire hazard. That being said a good way to determine linoleum verse a flat metal deck is the presence of the brass strips.
The linoleum was fitting in 8 x 4 foot sheets, (dimensions might be a little off) and the brass strip was used to secure them to the deck.
If you choose to go with the gray deck you would just need to remove the molded brass strips.
Hope that helps. Kagero has their 3D rendered picture book which might provide additional information regarding the decking.
Dave
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Posted: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 - 08:18 PM UTC
I just signed up.
I believe I have an old Matchbox cruiser somewhere in my stash. Maybe the USS Indianapolis. I cannot remember, but if I find it I am in
I believe I have an old Matchbox cruiser somewhere in my stash. Maybe the USS Indianapolis. I cannot remember, but if I find it I am in
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Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 01:31 AM UTC
Hi Dave,
Interesting stuff, I have a Chikuma to pick up for the Guadalcanal campaign, will be very useful.
Hi Jesper,
Welcome aboard, the matchbox cruiser was the Indianapolis. wasn't a bad kit for it's day.
Good luck in finding it.
Cheers.
Si
Interesting stuff, I have a Chikuma to pick up for the Guadalcanal campaign, will be very useful.
Hi Jesper,
Welcome aboard, the matchbox cruiser was the Indianapolis. wasn't a bad kit for it's day.
Good luck in finding it.
Cheers.
Si
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Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 01:36 AM UTC
Whilst I think about it, one of the aftermarket guys did some 1/350th brass strips for linoleum decking, anybody remember who it is, cos I can't find it.
Thanks for any assistance.
Cheers
Si
Thanks for any assistance.
Cheers
Si
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Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 03:53 AM UTC
I'm starting to get the main pieces of the San Diego together. I'm VERY grateful that Navsource has a ton of goof photos of the ship, since this model is going to need some major work.
Lots of filling, sanding, and detailing will have to be done.
Lots of filling, sanding, and detailing will have to be done.
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Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 04:08 AM UTC
Greg,
I painted that top aircraft handling section gray. I dated my Chikuma to 1944, after the final refit with additional AA. Most of the photos I've, and the lack of the brass securing section up there led me to pick gray.
Here are some great photos I found on the internet that helped me a ton:
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Posted: Thursday, November 19, 2015 - 06:46 PM UTC
Hi Steve,
Nice work on the San Diego, is that totally Dragon tooling, o does it have it roots in the Pit Road Kit, sort of looks familiar.
Nice shots of the Chikuma too.
Cheers.
Si
Nice work on the San Diego, is that totally Dragon tooling, o does it have it roots in the Pit Road Kit, sort of looks familiar.
Nice shots of the Chikuma too.
Cheers.
Si
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Posted: Friday, November 20, 2015 - 06:21 AM UTC
Si,
Both North Star and Flyhawk make the brass strip for IJN Cruisers. I used the North Star for the Maya and was very happy with it. I do have the flyhawk on hand though
Dave
Both North Star and Flyhawk make the brass strip for IJN Cruisers. I used the North Star for the Maya and was very happy with it. I do have the flyhawk on hand though
Dave
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Posted: Friday, November 20, 2015 - 01:19 PM UTC
Thanks Dave,
Will have look for those.
Appreciate the help
Si
Will have look for those.
Appreciate the help
Si
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Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2015 - 10:39 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Greg,
Sorry for my late reply, I have been trying to research your question. From what I can see you can go either way. I do know at some point the IJN removed linoleum from certain ships as it was determined to be a fire hazard. That being said a good way to determine linoleum verse a flat metal deck is the presence of the brass strips.
The linoleum was fitting in 8 x 4 foot sheets, (dimensions might be a little off) and the brass strip was used to secure them to the deck.
If you choose to go with the gray deck you would just need to remove the molded brass strips.
Hope that helps. Kagero has their 3D rendered picture book which might provide additional information regarding the decking.
Dave
Thanks for the info Dave. I found a few more photos. This is from 1941 from Osprey IJN Heavy Cruisers book. I can see the brass strips on the bow and the aft deck, but I am not sure if I see them on the upper deck by the catapults. Kagero Tone book shows the upper area grey. I wonder where Kagero, Osprey, and Tamiya get their info. Since this is a 1941 photo the decking (if it is there could have been removed by 1945 anyway.
Kagero
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Posted: Saturday, November 21, 2015 - 10:51 PM UTC
I am leaning toward a grey upper deck but have not decided yet. Here are a few update photos.
Degaussing cable attached to hull
Hull painted w/ metal prop shafts installed.
4 turrets assembled w/ brass barrels. Still have to attache PE shielding to turrets.
That's all for now. Hoping to get a lot done over Thanksgiving.
Degaussing cable attached to hull
Hull painted w/ metal prop shafts installed.
4 turrets assembled w/ brass barrels. Still have to attache PE shielding to turrets.
That's all for now. Hoping to get a lot done over Thanksgiving.
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Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2015 - 04:33 AM UTC
Nice start Greg,
Looking forward to seeing more progress.
Cheers.
Si
Looking forward to seeing more progress.
Cheers.
Si
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Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2015 - 05:12 AM UTC
A bit more progress on Scharnhorst.
The Catapult painted and fitted.
More paint going on the boats.
The motor boats, all the paintwork finished.
Having now worked with both clear and etched cabins on motor boats, I much prefer etched, easier to use, and thinner, can be glazed with krystal klear.
The motor boats fitted in place.
The forward superstructure glued down, and the final section of the rear ladders in place.
Overall view of it glued down.
cheers.
Si
The Catapult painted and fitted.
More paint going on the boats.
The motor boats, all the paintwork finished.
Having now worked with both clear and etched cabins on motor boats, I much prefer etched, easier to use, and thinner, can be glazed with krystal klear.
The motor boats fitted in place.
The forward superstructure glued down, and the final section of the rear ladders in place.
Overall view of it glued down.
cheers.
Si
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Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2015 - 08:13 PM UTC
Looking good Si. Turrets and anti-aircraft next?
Steve, thanks for the photos. The Chikuma looks great!
Here is the photo that wouldn't show up on my previous post of the Kagero book.
Steve, thanks for the photos. The Chikuma looks great!
Here is the photo that wouldn't show up on my previous post of the Kagero book.
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Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2015 - 11:20 PM UTC
wow, black? That's different! Now I'm even more confused.
(But to make sure there is no confusion on my other post, I did not build that Chikuma. Those are just pictures I used for mine: With the coloring I chose below).
(But to make sure there is no confusion on my other post, I did not build that Chikuma. Those are just pictures I used for mine: With the coloring I chose below).
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