Hi Jan,
Nice subject, and great job on and ancient kit, the extra detail looks very good indeed.
Cheers
Si
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Posted: Thursday, June 30, 2016 - 12:06 AM UTC
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ghauser

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Posted: Thursday, June 30, 2016 - 06:12 AM UTC
RedDuster

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Posted: Thursday, June 30, 2016 - 10:06 PM UTC
Hi Greg,
Very nice choice, and a tasty upgrade.
Will enjoy seeing the progress.
Cheers
Si
Very nice choice, and a tasty upgrade.
Will enjoy seeing the progress.
Cheers
Si

Illini

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Posted: Friday, July 01, 2016 - 10:06 PM UTC
I'm joining, thanks for the opportunity to make me finish something.  
 
I'll be doing the Fairey Swordfish Mk I (picture below) with Eduard detail, and/or the 1/200 Hood, but need a detail set not available yet, and/or the 1/200 Bismarck.
  
 
Is anyone aware of a resource that would have the exact plane, or squadron, that dropped the torpedo that crippled the Bismarck's rudder? I'd like to try and represent it.
Thanks, Dave
 
 I'll be doing the Fairey Swordfish Mk I (picture below) with Eduard detail, and/or the 1/200 Hood, but need a detail set not available yet, and/or the 1/200 Bismarck.
Is anyone aware of a resource that would have the exact plane, or squadron, that dropped the torpedo that crippled the Bismarck's rudder? I'd like to try and represent it.
Thanks, Dave
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Posted: Saturday, July 02, 2016 - 12:57 AM UTC
Hi Dave,
Nice choice. As to the Swordfish that hit the Bismarck's rudder, Sub Lt Jock Moffatt RNVR was credited with the hit. Don't have details of his aircraft, although recently this has been questioned, Moffatt was in Lt Cmdr Coode's flight and he called no hits. Lt's Pattenson and Godfrey-Faucett's names have been put in the frame, so your choice.
Cheers
Si
Nice choice. As to the Swordfish that hit the Bismarck's rudder, Sub Lt Jock Moffatt RNVR was credited with the hit. Don't have details of his aircraft, although recently this has been questioned, Moffatt was in Lt Cmdr Coode's flight and he called no hits. Lt's Pattenson and Godfrey-Faucett's names have been put in the frame, so your choice.
Cheers
Si
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Posted: Saturday, July 02, 2016 - 02:06 AM UTC
Posted: Saturday, July 02, 2016 - 11:11 PM UTC
It's becoming busy here, that's great!!
Very nice subjects everybody, looking forward to see them grow!!
Very nice and swift progress as always, Si 
   I've been slacking lately, real life issues...., but I have a small update that I will post later. First catching up with what's going on in the MSW...
 I've been slacking lately, real life issues...., but I have a small update that I will post later. First catching up with what's going on in the MSW...
Cheers,
Jan
Very nice subjects everybody, looking forward to see them grow!!
Very nice and swift progress as always, Si
 
   I've been slacking lately, real life issues...., but I have a small update that I will post later. First catching up with what's going on in the MSW...
 I've been slacking lately, real life issues...., but I have a small update that I will post later. First catching up with what's going on in the MSW...Cheers,
Jan
Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 12:20 AM UTC
Just a quick one, the long story is already posted in the Hood's build log   
 
Work progressing to the after superstructure. Some misalignments here - I had to create a slope to a part of the deck, otherwise the deck would have been sitting prominently in an opening for doors...






Nothing that can't be overcome, but I have to admit, progress is rather slow...
Cheers,
Jan
 
 Work progressing to the after superstructure. Some misalignments here - I had to create a slope to a part of the deck, otherwise the deck would have been sitting prominently in an opening for doors...






Nothing that can't be overcome, but I have to admit, progress is rather slow...
Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 01:25 AM UTC
Hi Jan, 
Looking good mate, I will have a look on you main thread shortly, but progress is progress. keep up the good work.
Cheers
Si
Looking good mate, I will have a look on you main thread shortly, but progress is progress. keep up the good work.
Cheers
Si
RedDuster

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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 02:49 AM UTC
Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 - 09:21 AM UTC
Fantastic work, Si!! Your Bismarck is really coming along nicely, and the level of detail looks definitely as being part with the 1/200 set!!   
   
 
I watched your update on the Bismarck log as well yesterday, but that tread has already dropped from MSW home due to 'too much activity' and I am just having my brief morning check here before heading into office...I'll have a closer look there later on.
Cheers,
Jan
 
   
 I watched your update on the Bismarck log as well yesterday, but that tread has already dropped from MSW home due to 'too much activity' and I am just having my brief morning check here before heading into office...I'll have a closer look there later on.
Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 - 11:11 PM UTC
Thanks Jan,
Looks like I will have to slow down, or I will sink the site!
Cheers
Si
Looks like I will have to slow down, or I will sink the site!
Cheers
Si

Illini

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Posted: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 - 03:25 AM UTC
if you haven't seen it before, here's a link to an absolutely remarkable build of the 1/200th Bismarck, at least IMHO.
http://www.florymodels.co.uk/trumpeter-1200-bismark-reveal/
http://www.florymodels.co.uk/trumpeter-1200-bismark-reveal/
RedDuster

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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2016 - 12:46 AM UTC
Quality build, thanks for the link Dave.
Cheers
Si
Cheers
Si

Illini

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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2016 - 12:23 AM UTC
I have found more than one source that indicates that Bismarck did not have the black and white stripe camouflage at the battle with Hood and company. I include links to these sites below.
I did the research, because I've decided to try and do the 1/200th Bismarck as well the the Fierey Swordfish, and the paint scheme comes up real fast. I seriously doubt I'll finish in time, but I'll give it a go.
https://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/paintbism1941rheinubung.html
http://www.kbismarck.com/drawings.html
I did the research, because I've decided to try and do the 1/200th Bismarck as well the the Fierey Swordfish, and the paint scheme comes up real fast. I seriously doubt I'll finish in time, but I'll give it a go.
https://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/paintbism1941rheinubung.html
http://www.kbismarck.com/drawings.html

Illini

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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2016 - 03:33 AM UTC
here's my "proof" pictures.  I had done a tiny bit a couple of years ago, to see how it "stacked up".  I recently did a post "My 1/200 fleet" showing four ships with levels dry stacked - see picture below.  I'm a;so using Pontos decking and PE, barrels, etc. - see the lousy picture.
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
RedDuster

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Posted: Saturday, July 09, 2016 - 03:16 PM UTC
Hi Dave,
You are correct, the stripes on the superstructure were painted out before she sailed from Gotenhafen 18/05/41 and the stripes on the hull, along with the false stern wave and dark grey stern we crudely painted out in Korsfjord / Grimstadt Fjord, along with the air recognition stripes.
This us the scheme I am going for on my 1/350th build.
Good luck with big brother, will be interesting to see how much goes into 1/200th set than the 1/350th.
Cheers
Si
You are correct, the stripes on the superstructure were painted out before she sailed from Gotenhafen 18/05/41 and the stripes on the hull, along with the false stern wave and dark grey stern we crudely painted out in Korsfjord / Grimstadt Fjord, along with the air recognition stripes.
This us the scheme I am going for on my 1/350th build.
Good luck with big brother, will be interesting to see how much goes into 1/200th set than the 1/350th.
Cheers
Si

Illini

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Posted: Saturday, July 09, 2016 - 08:35 PM UTC
Thanks Si.
Do you know, or is there a general opinion, as to why these changes were made? Perhaps to make it more difficult for planes, like the swordfish, to find her?
There is also some suggestion that the main gun's tops were to be painted red or yellow, but no physical evidence, I guess, even on the sunken wreck explored some years ago. So, I will not be doing that.
I am not good at PE, so I will only be donig things I can manage with my old tired hands. For example, the molded in ladders are to be replaced with individual rungs you have to drill hundreds of .3mm holes, and insert these teeny tiny PE parts - ain't happening here.  I will try and find enough ladders (not individual rungs) between PE sets to replace highly visible ones.
  For example, the molded in ladders are to be replaced with individual rungs you have to drill hundreds of .3mm holes, and insert these teeny tiny PE parts - ain't happening here.  I will try and find enough ladders (not individual rungs) between PE sets to replace highly visible ones.
Do you know, or is there a general opinion, as to why these changes were made? Perhaps to make it more difficult for planes, like the swordfish, to find her?
There is also some suggestion that the main gun's tops were to be painted red or yellow, but no physical evidence, I guess, even on the sunken wreck explored some years ago. So, I will not be doing that.
I am not good at PE, so I will only be donig things I can manage with my old tired hands.
 For example, the molded in ladders are to be replaced with individual rungs you have to drill hundreds of .3mm holes, and insert these teeny tiny PE parts - ain't happening here.  I will try and find enough ladders (not individual rungs) between PE sets to replace highly visible ones.
  For example, the molded in ladders are to be replaced with individual rungs you have to drill hundreds of .3mm holes, and insert these teeny tiny PE parts - ain't happening here.  I will try and find enough ladders (not individual rungs) between PE sets to replace highly visible ones.RedDuster

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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2016 - 12:27 AM UTC
Hi Dave,
I am as sure as you can be, plenty of references, but this site is very good, not only for the Bismarck. Should answer your other questions too.
http://www.kbismarck.com/drawings.html
As to why is was changed, not sure, although the black and white have been referred to as a "Baltic Camouflage scheme".
Cheers
Si
I am as sure as you can be, plenty of references, but this site is very good, not only for the Bismarck. Should answer your other questions too.
http://www.kbismarck.com/drawings.html
As to why is was changed, not sure, although the black and white have been referred to as a "Baltic Camouflage scheme".
Cheers
Si

Illini

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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2016 - 09:06 PM UTC
progress
Hull and deck work on Bismarck. Main guns done, but need lots of PE. Comparison to Missouri. Swordfish bits along side.
  
 
  
 
  
 
Hull and deck work on Bismarck. Main guns done, but need lots of PE. Comparison to Missouri. Swordfish bits along side.
Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 - 09:53 AM UTC
Now it's getting busy here - great!!   
   Welcome to all the new entries, looking forward to see your builds!
 Welcome to all the new entries, looking forward to see your builds!
Cheers,
Jan
 
   Welcome to all the new entries, looking forward to see your builds!
 Welcome to all the new entries, looking forward to see your builds!Cheers,
Jan

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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 - 05:16 PM UTC
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Now it's getting busy here - great!!
Welcome to all the new entries, looking forward to see your builds!
Cheers,
Jan
Agreed Jan, some mighty fine looking builds going on. That 1/200 monster should be a lot of fun to see going together (individual ladder rungs? Yipes!)
Michael
 
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 01:35 AM UTC

Illini

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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 01:51 AM UTC
Looking good, my progress is stalled waiting for the upgrade package to arrive. 
Do you have a color/brand in mind for the bulwarks and other areas?
Do you have a color/brand in mind for the bulwarks and other areas?
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