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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 12:18 AM UTC
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Ironically Hancock and Ticonderoga reversed names, with Ticonderoga originally being laid down as Hancock, and Hancock beng originally laid down as Ticonderoga. As to why, I have no idea, other than good old Navy thinking. :-)
You are right on the 1st part, and close enough on the 2nd!! Supposedly, the John Hancock company of Boston offered to promote a bond drive to pay for one carrier. Since CV-19 was building in Quincy, MA, they asked if THAT carrier could be named Hancock. The Navy agreed and swapped the names...
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Ain't working for the government great. Show up to work one day and your working on the Hanna. Show up to work the next day, now your working on the Tico. Hopefully they hadn't put the name on the hull yet. :-)
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The one Essex class I was Stationed on, was originally laid down as the Cabot. We still had several original parts down in the engine room that had USS Cabot CV-?) cast or engraved on them.
Continuing along the lines of Martin's question, what was she commissioned as, and why the name change?
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You would think I would know the answer to this as many times as you've mentioned it . I'm just taking a W- A- G here. The Orkisnorky (however you say and spell it -- :-) )
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Not the Big O Steve,
Hint: She's down your way.
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 05:08 AM UTC
The ship originally scheduled to be the USS Cabot, was the Essex class carrier, CV -16. She was re-named on the builders ways to honor the first carrier loss by the US Navy in WW II and was renamed the USS Lexington.
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 05:34 AM UTC
Take it away Tom..... :-)
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Ok, let's keep the "theme" going (sort of).
After the Navy took the name Cabot from CV-16, she assigned that name to another vessel, the CVL-28.
What was the original classification, number and name of THAT vessel when she was originally ordered?
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 07:05 AM UTC
The orginial USS Cabot was renamed the Lexington after CV-2 was lost in the Battle of the Coral Sea.
The fifth Lexington (CV-16) was laid down as Cabot 15 July 1941 by Bethlehem Steel Co., Quincy, Mass., renamed Lexington 16 June 1942, launched 23 September 1942; sponsored by Mrs. Theodore D. Robinson; and commissioned 17 February 19 43, Capt. Felix B. Stump in command.
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 08:10 PM UTC
Ordered as the Cleveland-class light cruiser Wilmington (CL-79).
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Spot on, Kenny!
You're up!!
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What was the abbreviation for Adm. Ernest J. King's title prior to Dec. 7, 1941 and what was it changed to?
Bonus - Who held that position prior to King?
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I'm not sure if this is the correct abbeviation..CINCLANT
Commander in Chief Atlantic Fleet Appointed February 1941. Then Commander in Chief US Fleet in March 42.
Not sure who held the position before King.
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Close but no banana. Welcome back Steven.
To give you guys a hint, the name didn't change, just the way to abbreviated it.
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Ok, here's another hint. Some background.
The General Order of 6 December 1922 combined the Pacific and Atlantic Fleets to form the United States Fleet. The main body of ships, the Battle Fleet, was in the Pacific and the Scouting Fleet was in the Atlantic. Additionally, the Control Force protected Atlantic sea lanes, and the Fleet Base Force were included. Remaining independent were the Asiatic Fleet, Naval Forces, Europe, the Special Service Squadron and all the submarines.
With the start of World War II in Europe the US Navy began to plan for the possibility of war in the Atlantic as well as the Pacific. On 1 February 1941, General Order 143 was issued, abolishing the United States Fleet organization. In its place, the Atlantic Fleet and the Pacific Fleet were re-established, each under its own commander-in-chief. Asiatic Fleet remained an independent organization as before.
The additional title of Commander-in-Chief United States Fleet was given to one of the three fleet commanders for the event of two or more fleets operating together. Except for this provision, the individual commanders-in-chief were responsible directly to the Secretary of the Navy and the President.
Ok, there's most of your research done.
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As Commander-in-Chief United States Fleet, the acronym was CINCUS, which was pronounced, SINK-US. That just wouldn't do, so it was changed. I don't remember who proceeded him, however (and I'm too lazy to Goggle it at the moment!).
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Dang it Martin!
I finally knew the answer to one and you beat me to it.
Bravo Zulu!!!
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Did this work the same for the Army? Did Macarthur and Eisenhower report to Sec Army or to Chief of Staff Marshall (VMI "01)
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Posted: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 04:23 AM UTC
Very good Martin!
The admiral who preceeded King as CINCUS was, unfortuately, Admiral Kimmel. On Dec. 7, 1941, Kimmel's official title was CINCPAC/CINCUS. Very bad indeed.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 06:23 AM UTC
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Dang it Martin!
I finally knew the answer to one and you beat me to it.
Bravo Zulu!!!
v/r,
Cob
I already had a turn, I will defer to you sir. You have the floor!
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Posted: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 07:35 PM UTC
Thanks Martin.
Here is a submarine trivia question.
The first ballistic missile submarine built by for the US Navy was eventually named George Washington. What was her original name?
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Posted: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 07:50 PM UTC
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Thanks Martin.
Here is a submarine trivia question.
The first ballistic missile submarine built by for the US Navy was eventually named George Washington. What was her original name?
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Cob
Good one, Cob,
Pretty sure it started as "USS Scorpion". . . They hacked her in half and welded in a missile compartment, and USS George Washington SSBN was hatched!
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Posted: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 09:39 PM UTC
Good job Mark!
USS Scorpion of course was the second Nuke Sub lost off the Azores.
That didn't take long...I'll have to make the next one a little tougher.
Your turn...
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Good job Mark!
USS Scorpion of course was the second Nuke Sub lost off the Azores.
That didn't take long...I'll have to make the next one a little tougher.
Your turn...
v/r,
Rob
OK, mates, put on yer thinking caps!
Hmmmm. . . Name us the U.S. Navy's third Amphibious Assault Ship designed and built from the keel up with accommodations for
female sailors as well, and the year the keel was laid.
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