Pre-Dreadnought Campaign 1866-1905
England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 08:34 PM UTC
Cheers, guys, and having had a couple of days work on the ship over the last week, I've moved things along, and backwards as well. I constructed the bridge, and surrounding decks but it all looked too rough so there will be some reworking.
Thanks to my chums for providing the info to continue. I thought this subject would be well supported but there are areas of missing detail - I will have to interpolate some of it.
The so called "white ship" isn't that white anymore with some extra colouring ; the effect will be manmade white against natural white. I have pictures of Aurora from february 1984 so I'll take a look at those to see the hues. I have seen the " blue" effect before in Norway but will have to investigate further. Maybe a blue light on the subject while I take a photograph may be one answer?
Cheers,
Peter F
California, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 10:20 AM UTC
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The so called "white ship" isn't that white anymore with some extra colouring ; the effect will be manmade white against natural white. I have pictures of Aurora from february 1984 so I'll take a look at those to see the hues. I have seen the " blue" effect before in Norway but will have to investigate further. Maybe a blue light on the subject while I take a photograph may be one answer?
Cheers,
Peter F
Hi Peter!
Perhaps if the base is made of a translucent material, a blue light could shine up from the bottom thru your ice?
--Karl
On the ways:
1:96 USS Constitution
1:96 USS Richmond (1862)
Launched:
1:96 USS Cumberland (1862)
England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 01:56 AM UTC
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The so called "white ship" isn't that white anymore with some extra colouring ; the effect will be manmade white against natural white. I have pictures of Aurora from february 1984 so I'll take a look at those to see the hues. I have seen the " blue" effect before in Norway but will have to investigate further. Maybe a blue light on the subject while I take a photograph may be one answer?
Cheers,
Peter F
Hi Peter!
Perhaps if the base is made of a translucent material, a blue light could shine up from the bottom thru your ice?
--Karl
Crazy about about blue lights huh? OK, just for you but only if you'll let me have a couple shots with green as well.
Peter F
California, United States
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 05:26 AM UTC
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The so called "white ship" isn't that white anymore with some extra colouring ; the effect will be manmade white against natural white. I have pictures of Aurora from february 1984 so I'll take a look at those to see the hues. I have seen the " blue" effect before in Norway but will have to investigate further. Maybe a blue light on the subject while I take a photograph may be one answer?
Cheers,
Peter F
Perhaps if the base is made of a translucent material, a blue light could shine up from the bottom thru your ice?
--Karl
Crazy about about blue lights huh? OK, just for you but only if you'll let me have a couple shots with green as well.
Peter F
No promises, Peter!
However, making an ice field that won't look like a slab of plaster sounds like a special challenge...
--Karl
On the ways:
1:96 USS Constitution
1:96 USS Richmond (1862)
Launched:
1:96 USS Cumberland (1862)
Ontario, Canada
Joined: September 15, 2005
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 11:46 AM UTC
I'm finally getting around to starting this campaign, I've placed forth a rather large order with WEM for barrels both for my Royal Sovereign build and my WW1 Agincourt build, and tapered masts and half masts, from 30mm to 60mm (covering all possibilities). Hopefully the 13.5"/30 Marks guns are appropriate for the Royal Sovereign. I'll have to figure out if any scratchbuilding is required for the breech end of the barrel. PE railings will be either from Voyagers (04003) WWII RN railings or from GMM Gold Plus Railings,... I'll have to decide quickly.
Frank
Currently working on:
350th Hasegawa Nagato
350th Hasegawa Isokaze
California, United States
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 12:45 PM UTC
That's a sharply-casted kit, Frank!
--Karl
On the ways:
1:96 USS Constitution
1:96 USS Richmond (1862)
Launched:
1:96 USS Cumberland (1862)
England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 08:28 PM UTC
Hurrah for Frank, and Combrig Royal Sov - a great little subject to do but beware of the rigging later on its a massive challege!
Peter F
Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Friday, February 06, 2009 - 12:28 AM UTC
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Hurrah for Frank, and Combrig Royal Sov - a great little subject to do but beware of the rigging later on its a massive challege!
Peter F
Thanks Karl, Peter
The basic resin ship seems simple enough, although it seems to be missing the boat supports, any PE sets available? Mike M. has e-mailed me a scaled drawing, and as it stands, it's the only reference I have. Searching the web I found this site with some interesting close ups.
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hms_royal_sovereign.htmWhat I really need to decide is how I'm going to paint her, white or grey? If the open barbettes were left unchanged throughout her life, I'll paint her grey.
Frank
Currently working on:
350th Hasegawa Nagato
350th Hasegawa Isokaze
Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Friday, February 06, 2009 - 01:58 AM UTC
Looks great Frank. Those Combrig kits have really piqued my interest as of late due to their obscure subject matter and crispness
Projects:
K44 Anti Tank gun
Diana
Albatros DIII
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: November 23, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 02:37 AM UTC
Talking about horrendous rigging challenges, my build is no different! Also as a Combrig kit, it to has no good chocks or davits so I'll see what Lion Roar have in pe. Also have the WEM Askold Russian cruiser pe so thats a lot of common details taken care of.
Moving on, I have added detail to the bridge, and replaced the resin barrels with brass. I have also added some amount of weathering to offset the brilliant white this is all to do with the main idea of the white on white theme.
Peter F
Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 08:13 AM UTC
Placed forth an order with WEM for their HMS Tiger PE fret and the generic WW1 battleship PE fret. I hope to spice up the build with portions of these PE sets and the 13.5" barrels, the casemate guns will also be turned brass.
.... Anyone dealing with WEM know how long it usually takes to process their orders?
Frank
Currently working on:
350th Hasegawa Nagato
350th Hasegawa Isokaze
Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 11:22 AM UTC
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.... Anyone dealing with WEM know how long it usually takes to process their orders?
Frank
Hi Frank
As long as they have the ordered items in stock, very fast!
Nothing to complaint about their service and also their customer care
Rui (with no affiliation to WEM - just a happy customer)
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Louisiana, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 12:18 PM UTC
"Hark, now hear the sailors cry
Smell the sea and feel the sky
Let your soul and spirit fly into the mystic
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 02:31 AM UTC
Here is the kit funnel compared to the BMK brass replacement funnels for the Zvezda Knyaz Survurov
Projects:
K44 Anti Tank gun
Diana
Albatros DIII
Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 02:32 AM UTC
Here is the kit funnel compared to the BMK brass replacement funnels for the Zvezda Knyaz Survurov
Projects:
K44 Anti Tank gun
Diana
Albatros DIII
California, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 06:22 AM UTC
Hi Jim!
Very interesting. I wonder if you still must apply banding and other surface details to the funnel. I doubt the actual funnels were all that smooth?
--Karl
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1:96 USS Constitution
1:96 USS Richmond (1862)
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England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 12:42 AM UTC
Cheers, Kenny, I am enjoying this one but with little info there will have to be some guesswork.
And, how about that brass stack amazing swop off option!
Peter F
New Jersey, United States
Joined: January 19, 2005
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 03:53 AM UTC
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Here is the kit funnel compared to the BMK brass replacement funnels for the Zvezda Knyaz Survurov
Did you have a problem with the base of the brass funnel fitting into the plastic deckhouse? I bought the funnels and was playing around with dry-fitting them, and found they didn't fit - looks like I will have to widened the opening on the plastic part for it to fit correctly.
Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 10:08 AM UTC
there was a wee bit of tweaking to do to get them to fit,but negligible I thought. As far as making them a little more "unsmooth"...mabe next model...unless I prime them, then take the dremel to them in a random fasion, polish,then re-grind...
Projects:
K44 Anti Tank gun
Diana
Albatros DIII
#021
Joined: August 02, 2007
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 11:31 AM UTC
hello Jim,
try searching for Etching Acid.the longer you leave it on,the more is will rough up the brass.it will come out blacken,it should just be able to wipe it off.
if you do this use a small piece of brass to experiment with.Miss Mary uses it for her jewelry making and it works on brass,steel,gold,etc.
hope this helps
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 06:46 AM UTC
thanks Bruce,how are u feeling?
Projects:
K44 Anti Tank gun
Diana
Albatros DIII
#021
Joined: August 02, 2007
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Posted: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 11:56 AM UTC
hello Jim,
getting better every day.i was not sure that you could use the Etching Acid for your build,but i thought that if some else wanted to make there brass looked used i would tell them another way to do it besides using a Dremel.
in the mail to day,i got 4 notices of funeral for some of my old comrades in arms.the worst thing about getting older is see your friends die before you.it makes you think back to when you were young and nothing to stop you.now i go to see them off on their last journey.
on the plus side i get to see some i have not seen in 30+years.boy, have we changed.
on my build started the cleaning up of the resin and bought a book called the Spanish-American War in Photo's.published in 1898.it has a lot great photo's of the Pre Dreads used in the War along with the Army Troops.it looks like a great reference book.
thanks for asking and listening,
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
Ontario, Canada
Joined: January 03, 2007
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Posted: Friday, February 20, 2009 - 01:44 PM UTC
Iv seen that book ...its pretty amazing! and remember youll see youre freinds again
Projects:
K44 Anti Tank gun
Diana
Albatros DIII
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: November 23, 2007
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 12:58 AM UTC
Not as much progress as I would have liked. I have fitted the shutters to the gun ports and that's about it. Otherwise I have created the base but that's about as far as it goes.
Like most of us, I dropped a part on the floor, actually a gun turret and could I find it?!! It's big enough not to lose and that's why I spent most of my modelling time looking for it without success I'm afraid. How do these things happen? And, as soon as I've scratch built another I guess it will turn up - right in front of me in some mocking pose.
That's the news from Lake Lancing where parts are missing, and the feelings are strong, and the modelling is below average.
Peter F
