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Pre-Dreadnought Campaign 1866-1905
JimMrr
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 02:47 AM UTC
Ach mien Gott!!Shipsbuilding really IS "the dark side".........rather challenging as well...
goldenpony
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 03:52 AM UTC
Karl,
That railing technique is really amazing.
That railing technique is really amazing.
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 05:39 AM UTC
Hi Jim!
Though I don't want to sidetrack this thread with the railing mod subject
, I must admit I have always thought brass deck-edge PE railings were overscale and chunky. Since I usually depict my ships in combat, where such railings are often taken down to better work the guns, I have been able to dodge the issue 
.
However, with my Pearl Harbor dio, I was forced to find a solution. Although strip plastic has gotten progressively thinner, it still makes stanchions look too thick and it's a pain to individually install each post. Finally, getting the filament rails attached and parallel was a nightmare. I took a fresh look at the problem and realized that PE railing sets offered ready-made stanchions that were evenly spaced, and after cutting, a steady guide for laying the cable rails.
So, by combining the best features of PE and filament, with a little work, the chunkiness of solid railings can be a thing of the past
. For masochistic modelers, chain railings can be simulated by leaving a slight dip in the railings before affixing them to each stanchion in turn, though I'll keep mine taut for the sake of sanity 
!
--Karl
Though I don't want to sidetrack this thread with the railing mod subject
, I must admit I have always thought brass deck-edge PE railings were overscale and chunky. Since I usually depict my ships in combat, where such railings are often taken down to better work the guns, I have been able to dodge the issue .However, with my Pearl Harbor dio, I was forced to find a solution. Although strip plastic has gotten progressively thinner, it still makes stanchions look too thick and it's a pain to individually install each post. Finally, getting the filament rails attached and parallel was a nightmare. I took a fresh look at the problem and realized that PE railing sets offered ready-made stanchions that were evenly spaced, and after cutting, a steady guide for laying the cable rails.
So, by combining the best features of PE and filament, with a little work, the chunkiness of solid railings can be a thing of the past
. For masochistic modelers, chain railings can be simulated by leaving a slight dip in the railings before affixing them to each stanchion in turn, though I'll keep mine taut for the sake of sanity !--Karl
95bravo
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 01:49 PM UTC
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Im' into my scratch build of my 1/120th old cruiser New York. I'm constructing this to look like a turn of the centruy modeler or maybe a boat model company like Bliss built it. It's mostly wood with printed paper. Bear with me on the water effect at the waterline - it'll make sense once you see the base.
Richard, what sort of printer are you using? Color laser? I took -up building paper models a few years ago (real space subjects) and was always unsatisfied with the quality of ink jet prints. I'm purchasing a laser printer here in a few weeks and look forward to getting back into the paper. I really do like your project. Very traditional and unique. Way to go!
taylormade
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 04:55 PM UTC
Steven,
I use an HP Deskjet 9800. It's the only printer I've found that can print out a 50 inch deck in one shot. I use Bristol Board printed at "best" quality through artwork produced on PhotoShop, Illustrator and TurboCad. Most of my models are large scale and I'm happy with the quality I get out of this printer.
I started making warships based on the old turn-of-the-century Bliss cardboard and wood toy boats. They were varnished lithographed cardboard with removable wheels and could be pulled around on the carpet, or with the wheels removed, floated in the bathtub.
My efforts were purposely a bit over the top in scale and design - just like the toy boats were. I'm gradually getting them much closer to scale, and the New York is pretty spot on.
RT
I use an HP Deskjet 9800. It's the only printer I've found that can print out a 50 inch deck in one shot. I use Bristol Board printed at "best" quality through artwork produced on PhotoShop, Illustrator and TurboCad. Most of my models are large scale and I'm happy with the quality I get out of this printer.
I started making warships based on the old turn-of-the-century Bliss cardboard and wood toy boats. They were varnished lithographed cardboard with removable wheels and could be pulled around on the carpet, or with the wheels removed, floated in the bathtub.
My efforts were purposely a bit over the top in scale and design - just like the toy boats were. I'm gradually getting them much closer to scale, and the New York is pretty spot on.
RT
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CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 08:56 AM UTC
Here's a pic of the Iowa heading off to the fitting out pier for completion. The funnels are most definitely dry fitted and the front of the pilothouse will be installed when the crew figures arrive.
--Karl
--Karl
JimMrr
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Posted: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 03:02 AM UTC
Looking really good Karl!
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 07:19 AM UTC
Hi Jim!
Thanks, though she's still really a bare canvas right now.
I must admit this particular project has run 'hot and cold' for me, to wit: while the basic design is charming (ram bow, ornate head, prominent tumblehome, tubby proportions), I am working from some of the worst reference material ever. Drawings with incorrect gun mounts, poor station locators, incorrect proportions, etc. More than once I have found myself having to do a rip out and start over because subsequent info shows my original data was plain wrong!
The good news is, it's correctable and I am confident things will work out in the final display. Thankfully, PanzerSerra has performed a service in his build of the Glencoe Oregon, so my next pre-dred will go more smoothly.
--Karl
Thanks, though she's still really a bare canvas right now.
I must admit this particular project has run 'hot and cold' for me, to wit: while the basic design is charming (ram bow, ornate head, prominent tumblehome, tubby proportions), I am working from some of the worst reference material ever. Drawings with incorrect gun mounts, poor station locators, incorrect proportions, etc. More than once I have found myself having to do a rip out and start over because subsequent info shows my original data was plain wrong!
The good news is, it's correctable and I am confident things will work out in the final display. Thankfully, PanzerSerra has performed a service in his build of the Glencoe Oregon, so my next pre-dred will go more smoothly.
--Karl
panzerserra
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Posted: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 08:14 AM UTC
Nice Iowa, Karl...
Great job !!!
regards
Panzerserra
Great job !!!
regards
Panzerserra
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 09:09 AM UTC
Hey Marcos!
Thanks. I'm sure you'll agree that pre-dreadnoughts have a certain charm. I hope more kits will emerge in the future.
--Karl
Thanks. I'm sure you'll agree that pre-dreadnoughts have a certain charm. I hope more kits will emerge in the future.
--Karl
grayghost666
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Posted: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 01:27 PM UTC
hello Karl,
great job on your USS Iowa.i know what you mean about wrong info for a build.but you did pull it off.so Good Show.
cheers,
Bruce
great job on your USS Iowa.i know what you mean about wrong info for a build.but you did pull it off.so Good Show.
cheers,
Bruce
JimMrr
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Posted: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 02:51 PM UTC
I am planning on detailing the intirior of the wheelhouse and havent been able to find any pics to use as reference, so Im going to have to "fudge"it I think. I have a nice shot of the Yukikazes wheelhouse, so I think Ill use that as a basis........lots of tubes and big guages and electrical boxes ought to look convincing enough to the discriminating magnifying glass..
grayghost666
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Posted: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 06:55 PM UTC
hello Jim,
sounds good to me.on alot of the Predread's there were talk tubes,pipping everywhere,large engineer levers,compass stand,etc on the Bridge.also alot of brass and polished wood.most of the larger Predread's were showcases to show the "Flag" to that Countries Citizens and the "Natives" when they went abroad.
thanks for the update and i hope alls well with you and your wife.let me know if i can help you,with anything.
cheers,
Bruce
sounds good to me.on alot of the Predread's there were talk tubes,pipping everywhere,large engineer levers,compass stand,etc on the Bridge.also alot of brass and polished wood.most of the larger Predread's were showcases to show the "Flag" to that Countries Citizens and the "Natives" when they went abroad.
thanks for the update and i hope alls well with you and your wife.let me know if i can help you,with anything.
cheers,
Bruce
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 05:28 AM UTC
Hi Bruce!
Yeah, I know the ultimate solution would be to order official sets of plans and such, but they can be pricey and I'd rather use the money on kits and supplies.
--Karl
Yeah, I know the ultimate solution would be to order official sets of plans and such, but they can be pricey and I'd rather use the money on kits and supplies.
--Karl
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 05:34 AM UTC
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I am planning on detailing the intirior of the wheelhouse and havent been able to find any pics to use as reference, so Im going to have to "fudge"it I think. I have a nice shot of the Yukikazes wheelhouse, so I think Ill use that as a basis........lots of tubes and big guages and electrical boxes ought to look convincing enough to the discriminating magnifying glass..
Hey Jim!
Pilothouses and flying bridges of the era were light on the gadgetry: a half dozen or so voice tubes, a magnetic compass on a binnacle stand, a simple helm stand, and an engine order telegraph will fill it out nicely.
--Karl
JimMrr
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 07:51 AM UTC
Thanks guys!
grayghost666
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 12:11 PM UTC
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Quoted TextI am planning on detailing the intirior of the wheelhouse and havent been able to find any pics to use as reference, so Im going to have to "fudge"it I think. I have a nice shot of the Yukikazes wheelhouse, so I think Ill use that as a basis........lots of tubes and big guages and electrical boxes ought to look convincing enough to the discriminating magnifying glass..
Hey Jim!
Pilothouses and flying bridges of the era were light on the gadgetry: a half dozen or so voice tubes, a magnetic compass on a binnacle stand, a simple helm stand, and an engine order telegraph will fill it out nicely.
--Karl
hello Karl,
some of the photo's i have seen show a large amount of gadgets on the "inside Bridge",the "Flying Bridge was ,as you said very simple in terms of gadgets.
it all depends on how much detail you want on the inside bridge.it would be hard to see if you super detail it,unless you put a clear top to the bridge to show it off.
on the USS Iowa,i agree about buying plans to her.if you were going to scratch build her,then i would suggest buying the plans.have you checked out the web site Dry Dock or maybe it is called Floting dry dock.they have a large amount of plans on CD's for sale.i have looked at the list and could spend thousands of dollars for the plans.
thanks for your info about the "Flying Bridge",i gives me somehting to think about.
have a good weekend.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 12:19 PM UTC
Beautiful work everyone!
Kenny
Kenny
taylormade
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 02:14 PM UTC
Hey Karl, love your work, that hull looks great. Do you have any photos earlier in the build? I'd love to see how you put that together.
RT
RT
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Friday, January 23, 2009 - 06:02 AM UTC
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Hey Karl, love your work, that hull looks great. Do you have any photos earlier in the build? I'd love to see how you put that together.
RT
Hi Richard!
Since I am a total newb when it comes to photography, I'm grateful when my pathetic camera gives me a useful shot of even a half-finished model--let alone a working shot!
However, I will be amping up the photography in the coming months so I'll be sure to use my upgraded equipment to record the beginnings of new projects like a 1:350 armored cruiser Asama, correcting the Revell Kearsarge, kitbashing the steam yacht Deerhound, and other goings-on at the Karlshaven Yard.
But, to answer your main question, I use a combination of sheet styrene (.060 to .080 for decks, .020 for shell plating) and balsa blocks for stiffening. In the larger scales I work in, I can force-fit hull shapes without having to resort to heat and I use CA adhesive exclusively throughout the build. Since I prefer waterline models, it's not so hard, though I am still struggling with the hard knuckles the British put on their post-World War I bow designs!
--Karl
peterf
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Posted: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 08:24 PM UTC
It's good to see a lot of interest being shown in this subject as it's one of my favourites, and to expand on my input, I have spray painted all the parts white, and added some colour for a game of dry fit.
I had a good old sanding session last night to make the parts fit better although some of them are doing the "resin twist". The platforms are out, and the RHS gun on A turret should be replaced - here we go again!
Thanks to my mates for supplying pictures and references and to recap the scene will be a white ship OSLYABYA in a frozen sea - white. Should be good!?
Peter F
I had a good old sanding session last night to make the parts fit better although some of them are doing the "resin twist". The platforms are out, and the RHS gun on A turret should be replaced - here we go again!
Thanks to my mates for supplying pictures and references and to recap the scene will be a white ship OSLYABYA in a frozen sea - white. Should be good!?
Peter F
JimMrr
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Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 04:57 AM UTC
heh-cool Pete....get it?cool? 
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 05:54 AM UTC
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It's good to see a lot of interest being shown in this subject as it's one of my favourites, and to expand on my input, I have spray painted all the parts white, and added some colour for a game of dry fit.
I had a good old sanding session last night to make the parts fit better although some of them are doing the "resin twist". The platforms are out, and the RHS gun on A turret should be replaced - here we go again!
Thanks to my mates for supplying pictures and references and to recap the scene will be a white ship OSLYABYA in a frozen sea - white. Should be good!?
Peter F
Hey Pete!
White ship in ice, hmmmm.....
I wonder if dry brushing very pale blue highlights here and there about the snow would work to add some hue to the base? I recall some color photography of polar scenes from a National Geographic-style work that had striking ice imagery which showed off how blue ice really is.
--Karl
goldenpony
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Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 06:10 AM UTC
Peter,
That shoud look very nice. I know you can pull it off.
That shoud look very nice. I know you can pull it off.
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