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md72
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Posted: Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 10:48 AM UTC
OK!
The taxman's been fed, I'm almost dug out from the TDY. Back to some serious modeling.
The taxman's been fed, I'm almost dug out from the TDY. Back to some serious modeling.
Gunny
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Posted: Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 04:48 PM UTC
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OK!
The taxman's been fed, I'm almost dug out from the TDY. Back to some serious modeling.
Yarggghh, matie, ye' been I&I long enough, now's time to git back at it!
~Gunny
jeremy1072
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Posted: Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 07:27 AM UTC
As promised here are a couple of updated pics. Still alot of work to do on it yet. Alot of shiners to touch up on the PE and some portholes that still need to be drilled. Im also working on the white glue for the blast bags, what a pain.
Anyone know if Bismark only had 2 of the 4 barrelled flak 38s? Any help would be aprreciated.
Jeremy
Anyone know if Bismark only had 2 of the 4 barrelled flak 38s? Any help would be aprreciated.
Jeremy
thathaway3
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Posted: Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 09:46 AM UTC
Taxes went in the mail on Tuesday, so I got some work done. I finally got most of the work done on the 20mm mounts. All 49 are built and I gave them all the initial haze gray. Next step will be going back and painting the actual gun and handles with black.
Once again, what I have is a combination of the original kit (the base), some PE (the WEM 20mm PE is really the best one available) and because I thought it could use just a little more "width" I added the ammo drum using a very short section of .015" styrene rod.
Here's a "before and after" on the initial paint. (I included a shot in the gallery of all 49 on the clay strip I used to hold them all down during painting so you can get an idea just how many that is.
Still looks like an early May "commisioning"
Tom
Once again, what I have is a combination of the original kit (the base), some PE (the WEM 20mm PE is really the best one available) and because I thought it could use just a little more "width" I added the ammo drum using a very short section of .015" styrene rod.
Here's a "before and after" on the initial paint. (I included a shot in the gallery of all 49 on the clay strip I used to hold them all down during painting so you can get an idea just how many that is.
Still looks like an early May "commisioning"
Tom
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Posted: Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 02:47 PM UTC
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Anyone know if Bismark only had 2 of the 4 barrelled flak 38s? Any help would be aprreciated.
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy!
Your Bismark looks GREAT!
Keep up the good work, mate...check out this site, and I think you'll find your answer HERE
Keep the updates coming in, mate!
~Gunny
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Posted: Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 02:52 PM UTC
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Still looks like an early May "commisioning"
Tom
Hi Tom!
Your eyes have to be crossed after 49 of those mounts, mate! :-) But they look perfect!
And early May is a FANTASTIC time of the year for commissioning!
Keep up the good work and keep the updates alive! Thanks!~Gunny
Ripster
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Posted: Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 04:01 PM UTC
Very nice work on those two. I especially like the decking on the Bismarck - how did you achieve that effect?
I must get on and finish building the 20mm guns for my 1/700 KGV, it's a task I've been avoiding...
I must get on and finish building the 20mm guns for my 1/700 KGV, it's a task I've been avoiding...
thathaway3
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Posted: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 12:01 AM UTC
I had the day off yesterday and just gutted out finishing up the 20 mms. Got all 49 painted with flat black and really like the way they look. The main superstructure gets 26 of them and I'll probably get those installed tonight. Once they're done the only things left on the center section is to install the radio antennas and then do the rigging, and that portion will (finally!) be complete.
The rigging is going to consist of both halyards (flags etc) and antenna wiring. Any suggestions for material for rigging?
I feel for you on that one!!! As eye crossing as it was to do the 1/350, I cannot even begin to imagine having to do those things HALF THAT SIZE.
How many does KGV have?
Tom
The rigging is going to consist of both halyards (flags etc) and antenna wiring. Any suggestions for material for rigging?
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I must get on and finish building the 20mm guns for my 1/700 KGV, it's a task I've been avoiding...
I feel for you on that one!!! As eye crossing as it was to do the 1/350, I cannot even begin to imagine having to do those things HALF THAT SIZE.
How many does KGV have?
Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 01:10 AM UTC
I feel for you on that one!!! As eye crossing as it was to do the 1/350, I cannot even begin to imagine having to do those things HALF THAT SIZE.
How many does KGV have?
Oh, I feel better now, those were 1/350. They are approaching works of art. I was feeling taxed by 1/700 guns where you just have to fold over a wheel and glue on the splinter shield.
Don't know about KGV but Nelson has as many as 65 20mm guns. My 1945 version still has 61. (6 down, 59 to go)
How many does KGV have?
Oh, I feel better now, those were 1/350. They are approaching works of art. I was feeling taxed by 1/700 guns where you just have to fold over a wheel and glue on the splinter shield.
Don't know about KGV but Nelson has as many as 65 20mm guns. My 1945 version still has 61. (6 down, 59 to go)
Ripster
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Posted: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 02:15 AM UTC
I'm doing an early war version of KGV - largely to avoid having to build so many 20 mils! IIRC she only has about ten, though I may be wrong...
Lycra thread works very well for rigging btw
Lycra thread works very well for rigging btw
thathaway3
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Posted: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 08:49 PM UTC
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I'm doing an early war version of KGV - largely to avoid having to build so many 20 mils! IIRC she only has about ten, though I may be wrong...
Lycra thread works very well for rigging btw
Great! I'll see if I can find some on the way home tonight.
Got the main deck section completed last night with the single exception of doing the rigging. Twenty-six of the 49 20mm's went on. I had THOUGHT it would only take me half an hour for the lot. Wound up taking TWO, as not only did I have to open up all the mounting holes due to paint build up, but because these things are quite delicate, several of them came apart as I was installing them and had to be re-glued. And of course despite all efforts to the contrary, there was still a bit of touch up paint to the deck required after the mounts were secured.
BUT, when I got them all on, I really like how they look. Once I finish the rigging and the center section is complete, I'll post some photos.
Today's estimate of completion: May 7th.
Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 09:14 PM UTC
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Quoted TextI'm doing an early war version of KGV - largely to avoid having to build so many 20 mils! IIRC she only has about ten, though I may be wrong...
Lycra thread works very well for rigging btw
Great! I'll see if I can find some on the way home tonight.
Got the main deck section completed last night with the single exception of doing the rigging. Twenty-six of the 49 20mm's went on. I had THOUGHT it would only take me half an hour for the lot. Wound up taking TWO, as not only did I have to open up all the mounting holes due to paint build up, but because these things are quite delicate, several of them came apart as I was installing them and had to be re-glued. And of course despite all efforts to the contrary, there was still a bit of touch up paint to the deck required after the mounts were secured.
BUT, when I got them all on, I really like how they look. Once I finish the rigging and the center section is complete, I'll post some photos.
Today's estimate of completion: May 7th.
Tom
Sounds GREAT, Tom!
Looking forward to seeing the next round of photos, mate!!
~Gunny
MartinJQuinn
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 05:46 AM UTC
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As promised here are a couple of updated pics. Still alot of work to do on it yet. Alot of shiners to touch up on the PE and some portholes that still need to be drilled. Im also working on the white glue for the blast bags, what a pain.
Awesome work Jeremy - simply awesome. She is really coming out beautifully! Can't wait to see her finished.
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Anyone know if Bismark only had 2 of the 4 barrelled flak 38s? Any help would be aprreciated.
Jeremy
According to the bismark-class.dk site, the total number of 20 mm-MG-C/38 Quadruple mounts was: Bismarck: 8 (was installed in two quadruple mounts at Gotenhafen (Gdynia) by the end of April 1941)
thathaway3
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 12:09 AM UTC
Well I got started on the rigging last night. The good news is that I now have figured out exactly where all the lines I need, have to go. Between the antenna lines, the "standing" rigging, and all the signal halyards, it was a bit confusing to figure out just where everything went, between photos, line drawings, and the builder's models. And I needed some additional scratch building in a quite number of places to provide a place for the antenna lines to attach properly.
The BAD news is that my original guess on how long it would take to do it all was "juuuust a bit outside." But now that I've gotten into it maybe I'll be able to get a bit faster. I'm still on schedule to get that done over the weekend, so I'll try and get some photos early next week of the completed center section.
Tom
The BAD news is that my original guess on how long it would take to do it all was "juuuust a bit outside." But now that I've gotten into it maybe I'll be able to get a bit faster. I'm still on schedule to get that done over the weekend, so I'll try and get some photos early next week of the completed center section.
Tom
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 04:26 PM UTC
Hi Tom
Rigging is very time consuming - but take your time!
Bad rigging is most noticeable
What are you using for rigging it?
Lycra tread? Streched Sprue? Fishing line?
Skipper? :-)
Rigging is very time consuming - but take your time!
Bad rigging is most noticeable
What are you using for rigging it?
Lycra tread? Streched Sprue? Fishing line?
Skipper? :-)
Gunny
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 07:05 PM UTC
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Well I got started on the rigging last night. The good news is that I now have figured out exactly where all the lines I need, have to go. .
The BAD news is that my original guess on how long it would take to do it all was "juuuust a bit outside."
Tom
Hmmmm...will it still be a May commissioning, Mr. Hathaway?? :-)
But seriously, rigging a ship can be one of the most taxing and satisfying parts at the same time, although it can be a major pain in the butt, if you take your time with it the end results can be magnificent...and judging by your previous skills at modeling, Tom, I'm sure this one will be a stunner! Looking forward to those pic's, matie!
~Gunny
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 09:08 PM UTC
Thanks for the encouragement mates! Got quite a few lines done last night and man it's going to be tedious. I found some "dark" transparent nylon thread and it's really looking good. The diameter is .004' and it really seems the right size. That scales out to 1.4 inches, which is probably too thick, but as it is, this stuff is already hard to see!!
Based on my efforts last night, I've revised my estimate and figure I still have about 8 more hours of work to do. After all the work I've done so far, I REALLY don't want to have the rigging spoil the project. As you guys well know, the biggest problem is making sure the attachment points are not only secure, but don't look ugly. For the forward antenna lines (there are 10 of those), I actually drilled out small attachment holes and inserted some .015" styrene rods to tie off on. The actual ship had some three piece tri-pod type structures in most places, but trying to do those really would have been more than I was willing to handle. I think the small "posts" will look just fine.
As far as the halyards are concerned, I'm going to cheat. All those lines are of course "double" since their function is to raise and lower flags. I have some slightly thicker "buff" colored thread which seems to look OK, although it is absolutely much thicker than real lines would be. At this point, I don't think that adding pulleys or eyes on they yardarm makes any sense and so I'm strongly considering using a "single" line to represent the pair for each signal halyard.
I'm going to take a hard look after I do the first one to make sure I'm happy with it. There are 12 lines on each of the masts, and two additional per mast for other flags, so these represent a significant portion of the total and need to look OK.
Plan is to add a few more hours to my schedule over the weekend to compensate. (provided SWMBO doesn't rain on my parade )
Based on my latest run this morning, revised commissioning date now May 09.
Tom
Based on my efforts last night, I've revised my estimate and figure I still have about 8 more hours of work to do. After all the work I've done so far, I REALLY don't want to have the rigging spoil the project. As you guys well know, the biggest problem is making sure the attachment points are not only secure, but don't look ugly. For the forward antenna lines (there are 10 of those), I actually drilled out small attachment holes and inserted some .015" styrene rods to tie off on. The actual ship had some three piece tri-pod type structures in most places, but trying to do those really would have been more than I was willing to handle. I think the small "posts" will look just fine.
As far as the halyards are concerned, I'm going to cheat. All those lines are of course "double" since their function is to raise and lower flags. I have some slightly thicker "buff" colored thread which seems to look OK, although it is absolutely much thicker than real lines would be. At this point, I don't think that adding pulleys or eyes on they yardarm makes any sense and so I'm strongly considering using a "single" line to represent the pair for each signal halyard.
I'm going to take a hard look after I do the first one to make sure I'm happy with it. There are 12 lines on each of the masts, and two additional per mast for other flags, so these represent a significant portion of the total and need to look OK.
Plan is to add a few more hours to my schedule over the weekend to compensate. (provided SWMBO doesn't rain on my parade
)Based on my latest run this morning, revised commissioning date now May 09.
Tom
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Posted: Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 07:35 AM UTC
Alrighty....for all puropses, my monitor is complete. I need to add the flags, but the construction is done.
Hope you enjoy. This was a great build. Now for the CSS Virginia.
Kenny
Hope you enjoy. This was a great build. Now for the CSS Virginia.
Kenny
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Posted: Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 02:56 PM UTC
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Alrighty....for all puropses, my monitor is complete. I need to add the flags, but the construction is done.
Hope you enjoy. This was a great build. Now for the CSS Virginia.
Kenny
Hi Kenny!
Your Monitor looks GREAT, mate!
I like the way that you have portrayed her in the dio...can you imagine being aboard a ship such as this? Truly an important part of history, my friend, thanks for the entry, job well done, and I'll be looking forward to the next one!
~Gunny
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Posted: Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 04:25 PM UTC
Great Monitor Kenny
I relly like the water display and the subtle weathering you have made on her!
Make those flags waving
Congratulations
Skipper
I relly like the water display and the subtle weathering you have made on her!
Make those flags waving
Congratulations
Skipper
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Posted: Monday, April 24, 2006 - 02:52 AM UTC
The weathering is a trick that an aircraft builder taught me for WW2 USN aircraft. I paint the basic color on. Then, using a shade or two darker, hit the panel lines. Using a lighter shade, lightly highlight the middle of the panel. Works every time. I also drybrushed the model with a darkened silver to show wear. It was a fun build. I just wish Verlinden had better instructions 
Kenny
Kenny
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Posted: Monday, April 24, 2006 - 10:10 PM UTC
Really nice job. The weathering is terriffic, and I love the open turret. My hat's off to those folks who do builds in water. This one really looks terriffic. Can't wait to see The Virginia.
I got a lot of work done over the weekend although not quite as much as I'd have liked. I wound up putting down 1000 lbs of rock on the path in the back yard on Saturday, as the weather was too nice. SWMBO sort of "encouraged" me to work outside.
Believe it or not, I think I'll probably be finishing the rigging tonight. I must have been out of my MIND when I estimated the whole job would take 4 hours!!! Looks like the final total will be more like TWENTY FOUR! But I'm really encouraged by the way it looks. The "attachment" points are certainly a bit larger than scale, but I don't think they are too bad. I've either used a 1-2 mm length of .015" rod to tie off the lines, or used CA to secure the line on very small lengths of .5mm x .5mm which are then glued to the masts.
The other trick was to take three rung sections of the ladders from the PE, cut out the middle rung and glue the rectangular "frame" to make a "rail" on which the signal lines could be tied off. Tedious work, but I like how the whole thing looks.
I'll try and get some pictures in a few days.
Revised estimate: May 13.
I got a lot of work done over the weekend although not quite as much as I'd have liked. I wound up putting down 1000 lbs of rock on the path in the back yard on Saturday, as the weather was too nice. SWMBO sort of "encouraged" me to work outside.
Believe it or not, I think I'll probably be finishing the rigging tonight. I must have been out of my MIND when I estimated the whole job would take 4 hours!!! Looks like the final total will be more like TWENTY FOUR! But I'm really encouraged by the way it looks. The "attachment" points are certainly a bit larger than scale, but I don't think they are too bad. I've either used a 1-2 mm length of .015" rod to tie off the lines, or used CA to secure the line on very small lengths of .5mm x .5mm which are then glued to the masts.
The other trick was to take three rung sections of the ladders from the PE, cut out the middle rung and glue the rectangular "frame" to make a "rail" on which the signal lines could be tied off. Tedious work, but I like how the whole thing looks.
I'll try and get some pictures in a few days.
Revised estimate: May 13.
skipper
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Posted: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 03:08 PM UTC
Working on my water for my Arizona
Still have my Camera dead - which means that I have a problem with visual updates
The ship, tug and mooring blocks are finished - I still have to add about 200 1/700 figurines (or should I say miniscule parts of PE?)...
I expect to have the all thing finished by the next weekend
Skipper
Still have my Camera dead - which means that I have a problem with visual updates
The ship, tug and mooring blocks are finished - I still have to add about 200 1/700 figurines (or should I say miniscule parts of PE?)...
I expect to have the all thing finished by the next weekend
Skipper
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Posted: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 03:22 PM UTC
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Working on my water for my Arizona
Still have my Camera dead - which means that I have a problem with visual updates
The ship, tug and mooring blocks are finished - I still have to add about 200 1/700 figurines (or should I say miniscule parts of PE?)...
I expect to have the all thing finished by the next weekend
Skipper
I think you're just teasing me Rui with this "broken camera story" just to keep me in suspense! :-)
No but seriously, my friend, I'm so glad that you're making headway with your project, and I wish that I could see it!! 200 1/700 figurines!!! My goodness, Skip, you DO have the true patience of a Shipwright!!!
I honestly can't wait until you get you're camera fixed (I wish we lived a little closer to each other, I'd come over for a beer and a few pic's with my camera
)Thanks for the update, sir, and keep modeling!!
~Mark
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Posted: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 03:36 PM UTC
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I'd come over for a beer ...
You're welcome to
About the Camera - I have gone to Canon representant here, on April 4th and asked what was the problem and how much would it cost to fix it... they haven't said anything and the three times I phoned and ask if they already have any news, they answered politely: "Sir, as soon as we have a total amount repair budget we will call you, for you to decide!"
Perhaps I'll start shooting with my old analogic camera... Also a Canon
Skipper
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