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alross2
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Posted: Sunday, April 29, 2012 - 12:39 PM UTC
Thought you guys might enjoy this. I was rummaging around through some files and found a letter from Peter Dickens (CO MTB234, SO 21st MTB) dated 30JUN79. We had been corresponding on MTB234 at the time that I was doing the drawing of her. What I found particularly useful was his explanation of the markings on the torpedo director.
Al
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TAFFY3
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Posted: Monday, April 30, 2012 - 02:54 AM UTC
Thanks for the info Al, do you have a photo of the sight? It would be an interesting detail to add. 
Al B
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tomdekruijff
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Posted: Monday, April 30, 2012 - 03:49 AM UTC
Well it isn't a photo but thats what i used to make mine
Your build is loking better and better Al.
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Posted: Monday, April 30, 2012 - 06:51 AM UTC
Thanks Tom, that drawing will do just fine. Al
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Posted: Monday, April 30, 2012 - 07:02 AM UTC
The deck is attached to the hull with 7 small screws. They will be hidden under various deck fittings, like these bitts.
The two screws amidships, next to the Torpedo tubes, are to be hidden by two small mushroom vents. The instructions would have you glue the vents directly to the head of the screw. I didn't care for that idea. So instead, I cut out two small discs from thin plastic, glued them in, drilled a hole for the locating pin on each of the vents, and then glued the vents in place.
I think this looks better than the way the kit would have you do it. Al
The two screws amidships, next to the Torpedo tubes, are to be hidden by two small mushroom vents. The instructions would have you glue the vents directly to the head of the screw. I didn't care for that idea. So instead, I cut out two small discs from thin plastic, glued them in, drilled a hole for the locating pin on each of the vents, and then glued the vents in place.
I think this looks better than the way the kit would have you do it.
Al
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Posted: Monday, April 30, 2012 - 06:08 PM UTC
You are really going to town on this build Al 
Lots of scratch building going on too it appears, (my Vosper is in the attic with the rest of my stash so I don't have the instructions at hand). Did you add all the levers on the torpedo tubes?
Julian
Lots of scratch building going on too it appears, (my Vosper is in the attic with the rest of my stash so I don't have the instructions at hand). Did you add all the levers on the torpedo tubes?
Julian
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Posted: Monday, April 30, 2012 - 08:37 PM UTC
Looking really great Al, following with much interest.
Si
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Posted: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 - 05:07 AM UTC
[quoted text] Did you add all the levers on the torpedo tubes?
Thanks Julian, the only thing I added to the tubes were the covers, the Vickers MG saddle mounts, and the nuts & bolts. The controls on the tubes came with the kit, and are quite fragile. I had to replace one of the small 'T' handles that had disappeared, and repair both of those cranks. There were 2 'eye' bolts on the back cover of each tube, they vanished one by one. I couldn't find anything to replace them with, so that is one detail that will remain missing. Al
Thanks Julian, the only thing I added to the tubes were the covers, the Vickers MG saddle mounts, and the nuts & bolts. The controls on the tubes came with the kit, and are quite fragile. I had to replace one of the small 'T' handles that had disappeared, and repair both of those cranks. There were 2 'eye' bolts on the back cover of each tube, they vanished one by one. I couldn't find anything to replace them with, so that is one detail that will remain missing.
AlTAFFY3
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Posted: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 - 05:10 AM UTC
Hello Simon, Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying the build. Al
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Posted: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 - 06:10 AM UTC
Quoted Text
[quoted text] Did you add all the levers on the torpedo tubes?
Thanks Julian, the only thing I added to the tubes were the covers, the Vickers MG saddle mounts, and the nuts & bolts. The controls on the tubes came with the kit, and are quite fragile. I had to replace one of the small 'T' handles that had disappeared, and repair both of those cranks. There were 2 'eye' bolts on the back cover of each tube, they vanished one by one. I couldn't find anything to replace them with, so that is one detail that will remain missing.
Couldn't remember that Al. Looks magic
Maybe after the Wasp I will pick "shorter run projects" 
Cheers Al
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Posted: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 - 07:16 AM UTC
[Quoted text] Maybe after the Wasp I will pick "shorter run projects"
Whenever someone says that I must have a lot of patience, I usually reply, "No, I'm just stubborn". When I opened the box for the Elco, my first thought was this is gonna take forever. But, I made myself do something every day, even if was only to remove a part and clean it up. I tried to see each sub-assembly as an individual model. So, in my mind, I was building a bunch of smaller projects instead of one massive one. Before I knew it, I was making progress by leaps and bounds. I try to maintain this mindset for each build. But I still usually need a 'quick & easy' build between projects. Though for a few projects it does seem that the only light at the end of the tunnel, is an oncoming train!
Al
Whenever someone says that I must have a lot of patience, I usually reply, "No, I'm just stubborn". When I opened the box for the Elco, my first thought was this is gonna take forever. But, I made myself do something every day, even if was only to remove a part and clean it up. I tried to see each sub-assembly as an individual model. So, in my mind, I was building a bunch of smaller projects instead of one massive one. Before I knew it, I was making progress by leaps and bounds. I try to maintain this mindset for each build. But I still usually need a 'quick & easy' build between projects. Though for a few projects it does seem that the only light at the end of the tunnel, is an oncoming train!
AlTAFFY3
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Posted: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 - 03:45 PM UTC
While test fitting the mast I noticed that it leaned slightly to port. To correct this I shaved off the rim around the bottom locating hole on the side of the bridge.
I also had to shave a little off of the bottom locating pin on the mast itself, this corrected the problem. Here's a pic with the mast temporarily in place.
In the picture you can also see the modified and corrected IFF antenna relocated to the bridge spray shield. Below is a another view of that antenna.
You might notice that the PE lower yardarm has been replaced by a plastic one. I'm working on the replacement for the upper yardarm with its aerials. I still can't help but wonder what the designers were thinking when they chose to make those parts out of PE material.
Al
I also had to shave a little off of the bottom locating pin on the mast itself, this corrected the problem. Here's a pic with the mast temporarily in place.
In the picture you can also see the modified and corrected IFF antenna relocated to the bridge spray shield. Below is a another view of that antenna.
You might notice that the PE lower yardarm has been replaced by a plastic one. I'm working on the replacement for the upper yardarm with its aerials. I still can't help but wonder what the designers were thinking when they chose to make those parts out of PE material.
AlTAFFY3
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Posted: Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 05:40 AM UTC
Here's the mast with its replacement yardarms and radar antennae.
At our club meeting last night, I was talking with a friend who builds beautiful 1/350 scale ships. He said that he strengthens, and adds dimension to, some PE parts by gluing small thin pieces of plastic to them. Something I hadn't thought of. Evergreen has several different sizes of 1/2 round that could have been glued top and bottom to the kit supplied PE. An option worth considering if thinking about building this kit. Al
At our club meeting last night, I was talking with a friend who builds beautiful 1/350 scale ships. He said that he strengthens, and adds dimension to, some PE parts by gluing small thin pieces of plastic to them. Something I hadn't thought of. Evergreen has several different sizes of 1/2 round that could have been glued top and bottom to the kit supplied PE. An option worth considering if thinking about building this kit.
Al
AlanL
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Posted: Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 06:32 AM UTC
Hi Al,
Things are looking excellent, nice work.
Al
Things are looking excellent, nice work.
Al
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Posted: Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 08:09 AM UTC
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Hi Al,
Things are looking excellent, nice work.
Al
Thanks Alan, She's really starting to take shape.
AlGremlin56
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Posted: Friday, May 04, 2012 - 05:55 AM UTC
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Here's the mast with its replacement yardarms and radar antennae.
At our club meeting last night, I was talking with a friend who builds beautiful 1/350 scale ships. He said that he strengthens, and adds dimension to, some PE parts by gluing small thin pieces of plastic to them. Something I hadn't thought of. Evergreen has several different sizes of 1/2 round that could have been glued top and bottom to the kit supplied PE. An option worth considering if thinking about building this kit.
That looks a lot better than the "plain Jane" PE Al
I'll remember your tip when I get around to my Vosper.
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Friday, May 04, 2012 - 07:22 AM UTC
Thanks Julian, I'm quite happy with how it came out, and it was a little easier than I thought it would be. Al
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Posted: Friday, May 04, 2012 - 02:33 PM UTC
Here is the mast painted and installed.
The photo of MTB 77 in the included info booklet shows the upper mast to be a much darker color. I used RLM Schwarzgrau, a very dark grey. It's darker than it looks in the pictures. Is it sacrilege to use a German color on an English boat? Al
The photo of MTB 77 in the included info booklet shows the upper mast to be a much darker color. I used RLM Schwarzgrau, a very dark grey. It's darker than it looks in the pictures. Is it sacrilege to use a German color on an English boat?
AlTAFFY3
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Posted: Monday, May 07, 2012 - 10:09 AM UTC
After a very busy weekend, I was able to get a little more work done today. Started painting the 20mm Breda cannon.
And the Vickers turret.
TTFN Al
And the Vickers turret.
TTFN
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Posted: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 - 05:08 AM UTC
That Vickers dustbin must have been a cramped and nasty place to sit 
Looking good though Al
Cheers,
Julian
Looking good though Al
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 - 07:12 AM UTC
I just spent 45 minutes (that seemed like 4.5years) cleaning up a jar of spilled paint from our kitchen floor. If you don't hear from me in the next couple of days, please notify the authorities, and tell them that my wife did it. Al
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Posted: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 - 07:14 AM UTC
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That Vickers dustbin must have been a cramped and nasty place to sit
Looking good though Al
Cheers,
Julian
Better than in the Ball Turret of a B-17, or B-24.
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 08:34 AM UTC
The Breda is finished, it just needs to be locked and loaded, I'm working on the ammo clip now. Here's a couple of pics.
I also did some more work on the turret, mounting the control column and the spent shell boxes.
I added the stanchions for the lifeline, as well as the jackstaff, to the foredeck. I figured it would be easier to tie off the line before mounting the Breda. In one picture the instructions show the line tied to the staff, in another, it is tied to a ring fitting on the deck. I'll have to check some photos, either way could be correct. Al
I also did some more work on the turret, mounting the control column and the spent shell boxes.
I added the stanchions for the lifeline, as well as the jackstaff, to the foredeck. I figured it would be easier to tie off the line before mounting the Breda. In one picture the instructions show the line tied to the staff, in another, it is tied to a ring fitting on the deck. I'll have to check some photos, either way could be correct.
AlAlanL
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 08:46 AM UTC
Hi Al,
Things are looking good, excellent work. I think the sight on the Breda mgiht have been metalic in colour and if you want to add some interest paint the elevating handles red lol.
Excellent stuff.
Alan
Things are looking good, excellent work. I think the sight on the Breda mgiht have been metalic in colour and if you want to add some interest paint the elevating handles red lol.
Excellent stuff.
Alan
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2012 - 09:07 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Al,
Things are looking good, excellent work. I think the sight on the Breda mgiht have been metalic in colour and if you want to add some interest paint the elevating handles red lol.
Excellent stuff.
Alan
Thanks Alan, I've seen pictures of the sight that looked black, and some that were gray. I've also seen a completely different type of sight on the Breda mounted on MTB 84. It looked to be a reflector sight of some kind. I think I'll just leave it as is.
Al
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