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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 09:12 PM UTC
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Julian, if you look at the picture of the other piece of the wooden deck the anchor chain planks are there.
@ Andy, I can tell you that the Monographs are even better as they have CAD drawings in them that are even clearer due to the 3D element in them. You need books 18 and 19 in the series.
Ah, yes, got it now. Thanks Warren,
cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 10:40 PM UTC
I have been quite lazy lately - or rather occupied with real life things - but I have done the other hangar, this time opened. I still need to do some ribbing on the inside of the door.
Aside from that I have begun opening the windows on the admirals bridge:
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 11:12 PM UTC
Nice work Jan, it's definitely a must to open one of the hangars. Don't you just hate drilling and sanding windows out
Julian
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 11:38 PM UTC
Hi Julian - the material is so thick, that i sand it down from the inside, so I don“t have to drill - I plan on putting clear styrene in the windows.
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 11:57 PM UTC
Yes, I did that with my 1/72 Revell U-boat, that was still a lot of grinding I had to do with the trusty Dremel
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 01:33 AM UTC
Really friend Juan I am enjoying your advances, this hangar looks like a dollhouse!! Already I am ancioso for having my kit in my power!! It will try to follow the steps.....
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Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012 - 02:33 AM UTC
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Hi Julian - the material is so thick, that i sand it down from the inside, so I don“t have to drill - I plan on putting clear styrene in the windows.
Hey Jan
would it be easier to use kristal klear or something similar ?
and is it me or are the gutters on the portholes next to the doors on part Z3 upside down?
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Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012 - 06:54 AM UTC
It is certainly not a question of gutters being molded upside down:
The amazing "Polish Paper Bismarck" shows the same details. Looks like an opening to pass a cable or (empty) shell through. Maybe someone can tell us what these openings are.
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Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012 - 07:26 AM UTC
Yes, those portholes look odd.
Almost like something you would see in the Mens room.
However - Warship Pictorial #19 Kriegsmarine Bismarck by Steve Wiper, has an image of the area (top right, page 45) and it looks to me like the Trumpy mold-makers did it right.
Perhaps they were NOT portholes? They sit at a lower height on the model and in the picture of the real thing.
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Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012 - 08:28 AM UTC
My guess would be munition chutes for the AA 10.5 cm.
But its just a guess...
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Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012 - 09:02 AM UTC
Plausible Jan, but why so many so close together?
(not that I have a better suggestion though
)
And wouldn't the ready ammo be in a locker (like the lockers with the white labels?)
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Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012 - 09:40 AM UTC
Really boys .... I have not even the minor idea about which it treats itself!! It does moment for that I am looking in my material but not could find a response ....... Jan's suggestion seems to me to be very coherent. I wait for some illuminated jejejejej
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Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012 - 06:27 PM UTC
Anatomy of the ship - Bismarck - states that the "ammunition was supplied to the mounts by way of ammunition hoists located in gun crew ready rooms and transferred to the guns by hand"
I think that the number of openings (4 for each gun) makes the handling as efficient as possible, as you can alter the chute according to where the gun is aimed.
It fits with the designated ready rooms in the drawings in the book.
Cheers/Jan
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Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012 - 06:59 PM UTC
I am pretty sure that you wouldn't want your ammunition going outside the ship then back in to load a gun, or am I mistaken? I think you may find they are just exhaust fans or something similar. Although the eyebrow underneath the orifice is strange.
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Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012 - 07:52 PM UTC
The 10.5 cm er manually loaded from the rear - a crew would be swarming around it wit ammunition. The structures seen on the side of the turrets are for setting the fuse - so first the ammunition is taken from the chute, then placed in the fuse setter and then loaded in the gun - spent cartridges go ?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 02:23 AM UTC
Spot on Jan, just been checking anatomy etc.10,5 magazines all around this position. 100% certain those are ammo chutes.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 07:29 AM UTC
Why would you need such a huge hole for such small ammo?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 08:03 AM UTC
This is too tempting Warren
I'll pass on this before doing the "ever seen a suppository" routine and getting kicked off the forum
Cheers,
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 09:02 AM UTC
Its not that small, 10.5 cm granade placed in a huge holster - heres som nice pictures of the landbased version
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/199167&page=1 Cheers
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 12:10 PM UTC
Bravo gentlemen!
We all learn something.
It all fits well with information in Garzke & Dulin's book on Axis Battleships and my ancient copy of Warship Profile #18.
I am enjoying this build log. Not sure when I am starting my giant Trumpy Bismarck, (waiting to see what P.E. shows up) but I will check in here daily.
So nice to have a discussion and not have it become
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 09:02 PM UTC
Getting better and better each I saw them Gents. Beautiful work.....CHeers mark
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 04:27 AM UTC
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Bravo gentlemen!
We all learn something.
It all fits well with information in Garzke & Dulin's book on Axis Battleships and my ancient copy of Warship Profile #18.
I am enjoying this build log. Not sure when I am starting my giant Trumpy Bismarck, (waiting to see what P.E. shows up) but I will check in here daily.
So nice to have a discussion and not have it become
No need for bloodshed on this forum, we are all gentlemen here, well, most of us are
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 04:29 AM UTC
Thanks Mark,
cheers mate
Julian
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 10:06 PM UTC
I have the Kagero Book on the Bismarck that shows the Scuttles also. The anatomy book I remember classed them as Ammo Chutes. The Gutter underneath the Scuttles is actually like a drop Tray for the shells to sit on when being passed through the Bulkhead. The Proximity to the 4.1 Inch Mount is the clincher. Those Mounts could not hold many Shells. The 15 Inch Turrets and their 5.9 Inch counterparts had the Ammo Handling Chutes built into the Turrets. The 4.1 Inch Turrets were loaded from outside the mini Turret as their Breech Blocks sit on top of the enclosed Mount at the rear. There was no way that they could loaded from inside those Turrets. Hope this helps your queries.
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 10:16 PM UTC
Here is a Pic of the Mount. That is why there are scuttles in the Bulkhead to pass the Ammo through. There would have been a reload Crew waiting to load each Barrel.....Cheers mark
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