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Posted: Monday, May 13, 2013 - 03:37 AM UTC
You probably noticed that I binned the photo etch hangar doors here Daniel. The model parts looked a lot better so I used them instead.
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Julian
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 09:01 AM UTC
Sometimes it is necessary to choose between the original of kit or PE .... in this case the kit is better

Pontos PE ......

https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/PontosModel+1200+Bismarck+1941+Detail+Up+Set+BASIC+Trumpeter+23001F1/19424/#.UZP12EqS18M

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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - 09:02 PM UTC

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Sometimes it is necessary to choose between the original of kit or PE .... in this case the kit is better

Pontos PE ......

https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/PontosModel+1200+Bismarck+1941+Detail+Up+Set+BASIC+Trumpeter+23001F1/19424/#.UZP12EqS18M

Daniel

Thanks for the heads up on the ponotos set Daniel
Just ordered one
Cheers
Andy
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 05:52 AM UTC
Nice heads-up on the Pontos set Daniel,price is very good too.
Maybe Andy can do a review here so that we can compare the sets
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 07:14 AM UTC
Congratulations Andy for your purchase!!

As Julian says serious well a dispute Pontos and MK1.



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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 09:00 AM UTC
If you can get the Pontos set for $179.95 I believe it is up there with the MK1 Design set, but the MK1 Design set has many extras the Pontos set doesn't, and the Pontos set has features the MK1 Design set doesn't.

Then you need to remember the Artwox set is coming out soon.

I also noted that the Pontos set is marked as being the basic set. Maybe they will replace the open midships bridge with a brass set up in the more advanced set.

Hard to pick which one to buy now my MK1 Design set I ordered is not coming due to being stuck in customs in the UK for months now.
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 05:43 PM UTC
That was problem Warren? British customs fouled things up, that sucks.
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 09:03 PM UTC
Hi Julian
I and my supplier have no idea why it was stopped there. Anyway I got my money back so now I have to decide which way to go again.
Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 09:37 PM UTC
At least you got the cash back
Considered hannants?
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Julian
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Posted: Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 10:02 PM UTC
No as their postage costs are astronomical.. I think I will probably go with a set from Luckymodel, HLJ or maybe even Freetime Hobbies.
But there is no rush now.
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Posted: Friday, May 17, 2013 - 04:49 AM UTC
May 17th update:
More work on the hangars and aircraft:






The Arado still needs some TLC before being presentable
Transport cart is a scratch build.
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Julian
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Posted: Friday, May 17, 2013 - 05:49 AM UTC
Looking marvelllous Julian.

Tell me, did the superstructure wall vent and porthole detail come with the kit or is it something you had to add later? I remember my 1/350 Revell kit the LionRosar vents, portholes etc took quite a while to add those extra details.

Cheers mate
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Posted: Friday, May 17, 2013 - 05:55 AM UTC
Sort of 40/60 at the moment Warren, I am redoing the superstructure and adding Mk. 1 as I go. Not as bad as it sounds actually
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 12:49 AM UTC
Looking bloddy great Julian,
I love the Arado,
I'm really snookered what to do now!!!

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If you can get the Pontos set for $179.95 I believe it is up there with the MK1 Design set, but the MK1 Design set has many extras the Pontos set doesn't, and the Pontos set has features the MK1 Design set doesn't.

Then you need to remember the Artwox set is coming out soon.

I also noted that the Pontos set is marked as being the basic set. Maybe they will replace the open midships bridge with a brass set up in the more advanced set.

Hard to pick which one to buy now my MK1 Design set I ordered is not coming due to being stuck in customs in the UK for months now.

The advanced Pontos set is like an add on
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=123012&hilit=1%2F200+bismarck&sid=80de3289a8a3cc3c0d58a88b5764e446.
I think I'm going to sway the Pantos way
Andy
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 02:34 AM UTC
Looks like a very good choice Andy, a comprehensive set that has some advantages over the Mk.1 set.
Here is a link to the Pontos site:

http://pontosmodel.com/html/23001f1.html

If you do go for it maybe you can put up a review Andy?
cheers,
Julian

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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 02:51 AM UTC
For a Basic set it is not really very basic is it..
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 03:36 AM UTC

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For a Basic set it is not really very basic is it..

A very tasty alternative Warren, I love the dry transfers.
The jackstay aft is also magnificent. Don't know if the quality of the PE is as good but this is stiff competition for Mk.1.
Julian
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 04:37 AM UTC

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For a Basic set it is not really very basic is it..

A very tasty alternative Warren, I love the dry transfers.
The jackstay aft is also magnificent. Don't know if the quality of the PE is as good but this is stiff competition for Mk.1.
Julian


G'Day Julian.
I have seven Pontos sets in the stash Julian and just looking at the PE in them it looks marvellous. I think my next project is a Warspite with a Pontos set so I will get a good idea of the quality then.
Cheers mate
Warren
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 05:13 AM UTC
I prefer the slightly stiffer sorts of PE, Trumpeter PE is like chewing gum, way too soft. Eduards tends toward the softer side of the spectrum. WEM PE for the Arizona was very nice to work with. Italeri PE can be used to prop up sky-scrapers, way too stiff. Mk.1 is great to work with, holds a fold nicely and can be worked quite a bit before breaking.
Be nice to hear from you where Pontos fits in this line
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 05:21 AM UTC

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Looks like a very good choice Andy, a comprehensive set that has some advantages over the Mk.1 set.
Here is a link to the Pontos site:

http://pontosmodel.com/html/23001f1.html

If you do go for it maybe you can put up a review Andy?
cheers,
Julian


Ahoy Julian
WEM recon it will be in stock in two weeks, but there is a UK shop has the MK1 set in stock,I really want to get going on on this build( Mrs Torchy wants rid of a f*******g great box) looking at yours and Michael's but I've waited this long,so another couple weeks can't hurt
I've just dropped out of a few campaigns which haven't started yet(too make some time) and I've got a few I really want to finish so please bear with.
I'll probably start with turrets and superstructure to combine bench space,and yes I will do a review asap
Cheers Lubbers
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 05:45 AM UTC
Welcome aboard Andy, be nice to see you start up your "Big B"
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 08:40 AM UTC
Wowww!! It is really very good!!!
A worthy competitor for KM1 ... fluted cannons?? Brilliant detail .... I like it!!

encourage Andy!!!

Regards Daniel
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 09:34 AM UTC

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Looks like a very good choice Andy, a comprehensive set that has some advantages over the Mk.1 set.
Here is a link to the Pontos site:

http://pontosmodel.com/html/23001f1.html

If you do go for it maybe you can put up a review Andy?
cheers,
Julian


Ahoy Julian
WEM recon it will be in stock in two weeks, but there is a UK shop has the MK1 set in stock,I really want to get going on on this build( Mrs Torchy wants rid of a f*******g great box) looking at yours and Michael's but I've waited this long,so another couple weeks can't hurt
I've just dropped out of a few campaigns which haven't started yet(too make some time) and I've got a few I really want to finish so please bear with.
I'll probably start with turrets and superstructure to combine bench space,and yes I will do a review asap
Cheers Lubbers

Lubbers indeed!!
I may order a Pontos set from Luckymodel with free postage. Cost was US$179. The have the MK1 Set for $241.. Which way to go?
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 09:46 AM UTC

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Looks like a very good choice Andy, a comprehensive set that has some advantages over the Mk.1 set.
Here is a link to the Pontos site:

http://pontosmodel.com/html/23001f1.html

If you do go for it maybe you can put up a review Andy?
cheers,
Julian


Ahoy Julian
WEM recon it will be in stock in two weeks, but there is a UK shop has the MK1 set in stock,I really want to get going on on this build( Mrs Torchy wants rid of a f*******g great box) looking at yours and Michael's but I've waited this long,so another couple weeks can't hurt
I've just dropped out of a few campaigns which haven't started yet(too make some time) and I've got a few I really want to finish so please bear with.
I'll probably start with turrets and superstructure to combine bench space,and yes I will do a review asap
Cheers Lubbers


Only problem is then she will start to comment on the f-------g great ship model...
I am only joking Mrs Torchy as I admire your perserverence putting up with the f-----g great box..
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Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 09:53 AM UTC
I believe I have come up with a plan...
I think the Pontos set has most of the stuff I want in it but there are a few things in the MK1 Design set that the Ponots one lacks (eg vent details). These details appear to be available in the Value Pack that you bought Mr Sallows so for the moment I will get the Pontos Basic Set and the MK1 Design value set and that should cover all the bases until the Pontos Advanced set comes out..
So in actual fact Mr Sallows you may have gone in the right direction in the first place without realising it...
Cheers all
Warren
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