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Building the mighty Bismarck
Gremlin56
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 04:54 AM UTC

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I think that you should take closer look at this Bismarck

http://www.konradus.com/forum/read.php?f=1&i=167694&t=167694&filtr=&page=11




That is an amazing build Wojtek, a paper model as well.
Fantastic !
Julian
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 04:55 AM UTC
Jan, Daniel,
you haven't convinced me yet about the blast bags. They look excellent though. What two component putty did you use Jan?
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 05:52 AM UTC
Hard bone of gnawing!! Jajajja
I use Epoxy puty 2 components "PARSECS" but not if in the north it is commercialized

http://www.konradus.com/forum/read.php?f=1&i=167694&t=167694&filtr=&page=11



It is not royal!! It is of another planet!!! Jejeje but I like to do something of papelmodel .........
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 06:01 AM UTC
Hi Julian, I use Aves Apoxie sculpt - remember to wear gloves while working with any 2 component putty.

Cheers/jan
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 06:23 AM UTC
Hello Jan, and Julian, these look to be excellent builds and I'm looking forward to following along. Al
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 06:44 AM UTC
Thanks for the tips Jan and Daniel. I have found some photos that look like the proof needed for the blast bags on the main battery:




These photos were taken from Prinz Eugen after the engagement with the Hood. Bismarck is very clearly down by the head. I also found an excellent photo of the secondary battery:





No blast bags, ( this is of course long before "Rheinübung),

Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 06:45 AM UTC

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Hello Jan, and Julian, these look to be excellent builds and I'm looking forward to following along. Al



Hi Al, welcome aboard
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 06:44 PM UTC
Ahoy Jan and Julian
stunning stuff so far boys,what books are you using for referance? I only have one at the moment

but its got some brilliant photos in

I'm going to start with the aircraft,I want to include all four ,one on the cat,one being made ready and two in the hangers with the doors open.
I take it that they where moved about on some sort of dollie? has anybody got any drawings/pics
Cheers
Andy
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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 09:04 PM UTC
Hi Andy,

I have a number of books on the subject, but the best is Anatomy of a Ship - as it contains a lot of nice drawings.

Regarding the "flight deck" - this is from Tirpitz and the deck looks absolutely smooth - but I don´t know if its from the fitting out - so that it is missing rails ore other means of transporting the planes around.

I think I have see a shot somewhere showing trolleys and rails on Bismarck ... but I can´t remember where ...


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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 - 09:21 PM UTC
On Page 56 of Steve Backer's book
Julian
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 03:52 AM UTC
This is how the wings of the Arado fold up Andy:





cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 04:20 AM UTC
I have this kit as well, and while I'm no expert, I know the Bismarck's hull was welded, not riveted, so was anyone else surprised that the kit's hull is so smooth, without weld lines? Or is the perfectly smooth hull accurate?
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 04:27 AM UTC

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I have this kit as well, and while I'm no expert, I know the Bismarck's hull was welded, not riveted, so was anyone else surprised that the kit's hull is so smooth, without weld lines? Or is the perfectly smooth hull accurate?



Yes, I am very surprised that the hull is as smooth as a babies bottom. There should be weld lines, (see a photo that I posted earlier in this thread). Unfortunately there is little reference on the weld lines so it will be a flight of fantasy to scratch anything. Jan and I discussed this point off-line. There is also according to photos of the wreck a very prominent degaussing cable around the hull just below the waterline.
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 08:34 AM UTC
Great builds Guys, the more I see of this the more I am tempted.

Brilliant refrenece pic's too thanks

Loving the Arado Julian, want to get round to building one of those myself.... when I get the time.

Keep up the great builds.

Si
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 09:32 AM UTC
Julian.... Beautiful Arado!!!!
Is it one of the Tirpitz not?? Revell 1/32??
This one in my list of desires ... but now after yours ... climb a few places!!! Jajaja

Congratulations!!!
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 05:01 PM UTC
Hi Daniel,yes you are right: it's Revell's 1/32 Arado. An excellent model that I can recommend,
cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 06:12 PM UTC
Bloddy hell Julian more expense I've had to buy the Revell Arado now after seeing your beauty.
was it OOB or was there some am goodies added?
Andy
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 08:43 PM UTC
I can only reccomend the Revell arado 196, its a splendid kit out of the box.



I have been working on the FLAK guns, assembly are pretty straightforward - I have chosen to fix the elevation as the fit is somewhat wobbly and it wont be possible to align the barrels otherwise.

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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 08:58 PM UTC
Jan
does the Arado come with that base?
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 09:17 PM UTC
Nope, its home grown
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 09:26 PM UTC

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Nope, its home grown


Superb mate
PS love the guns for the Bissy
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Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 11:07 PM UTC
Jan ... that beautiful your Arado!! I tape-worm designs of doing the catapult but seize me gained for spate of goals!!! Jajajajaj The work in the flak and 105mm very fast!! Congratulations. Are the cannons of brass of Kit or of the update??
regards Daniel
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Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 01:16 AM UTC

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Are the cannons of brass of Kit or of the update??
regards Daniel



They are from the Trumpeter updateset - but the kit parts in styrene are by no means bad.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 04:11 AM UTC
Beautiful work on the Arado catapult Jan, looks really fantastic. The Revell Arado is a great model with no bad habits to it. Only thing I disliked was the assembly of the cockpit canopy parts. That sucked
I gave the Bismarck a coat of red anti-fouling yesterday evening: that is an awful big expanse of red anti-fouling
Still waiting for my Polish photo etch to arrive.
Cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 06:23 AM UTC
November 28th update:
Acres of red anti-fouling:




Cheers,
Julian