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Gaucho
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Posted: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 03:35 AM UTC
Progress pic.
Meanwhile, the Stennis' deck is ready for decalling.
Meanwhile, the Stennis' deck is ready for decalling.
thathaway3
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Posted: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 10:26 AM UTC
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When I left this project awhile ago, I was trying to find a name worthy of a US carrier that hasn't already been used.
Jeff, I think that for a theoretical CV-44 as you've described, while USS Cumberland is a good call for the reasons you've mentioned, had the events driving such a project unfolded from the "loss" of the Battle of Midway, I'm betting that the Navy would have done with this ship, exactly what they did with several of the Essex Class Carriers, that is, re-use the names of the pre-war carriers which were sunk, to continue the tradition. Since Lexington, Yorktown, Wasp and Hornet were used in the Essex Class, I'll bet the Navy would have named the CV-44 the USS Enterprise had they not already re-named a fifth Essex. Considering the Navy eventually did re-use the name (along with Saratoga and Ranger, the other two CVs in commission on 7 Dec 1941), had Enterprise been sunk at Midway, leading to the emergency conversion of an Iowa, I think it's more likely they'd have named her after a much more famous ship.
Just my thoughts. But then I'm also of the opinion that the CVN-70 and the CVN-74 are poorly named. Nothing against Carl Vinson or John Stennis, but I think the USS Ernest J. King would have been a better call than either of those two obviously politically inspired selections.
Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 08:11 PM UTC
Valid point Tom, but...
We considered it when we (Garry and I) were thinking up a timeline and potential names.
The thought was (and we were definitely thinking lowest common denominator here) was that if we named the ship Essex II, that someone would take exception to the fact since Essex survived the war in reality.
The other thing we discussed was not mentioning the loss of Enterprise at Midway in our "altered history". Hornet was lost at Santa Cruz, so the end result as it pertains to her is the same.
Although I'm open to other potential names, I think I'll stick to Cumberland since it was the one that Garry recommended to me.
I tend to think that we've dropped the ball with naming carriers too...while I agree that CVNs could be named for presidents that were exemplory in their terms, I think we should continue the tradition of using names from previous carriers.
There seems to be little logic in the naming conventions now, and it's become too political, especially now that we're naming ships for individuals who are still alive and kicking. That's not to diminish their accomplishments, but to me, it's kind of tacky when you consider those that came before...Roosevelt, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Nimitz, Forrestal, etc.
Jeff
We considered it when we (Garry and I) were thinking up a timeline and potential names.
The thought was (and we were definitely thinking lowest common denominator here) was that if we named the ship Essex II, that someone would take exception to the fact since Essex survived the war in reality.
The other thing we discussed was not mentioning the loss of Enterprise at Midway in our "altered history". Hornet was lost at Santa Cruz, so the end result as it pertains to her is the same.
Although I'm open to other potential names, I think I'll stick to Cumberland since it was the one that Garry recommended to me.
I tend to think that we've dropped the ball with naming carriers too...while I agree that CVNs could be named for presidents that were exemplory in their terms, I think we should continue the tradition of using names from previous carriers.
There seems to be little logic in the naming conventions now, and it's become too political, especially now that we're naming ships for individuals who are still alive and kicking. That's not to diminish their accomplishments, but to me, it's kind of tacky when you consider those that came before...Roosevelt, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Nimitz, Forrestal, etc.
Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 11:42 PM UTC
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... and deck personel uniform colours in general, I'd very much appreciate the help.
All the best
Rowan
Hi Rowan
Just stumbled into this:
http://www.centuryinter.net/midway/Carrier_Squadrons/Torpedo_Eight/in_color.html#Contents
Another little help
Skipper
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:25 AM UTC
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I tend to think that we've dropped the ball with naming carriers too...while I agree that CVNs could be named for presidents that were exemplory in their terms, I think we should continue the tradition of using names from previous carriers.
There seems to be little logic in the naming conventions now, and it's become too political, especially now that we're naming ships for individuals who are still alive and kicking.
Jeff
Couldn't agree more!!! And it ain't just the carriers, it's the entire NAVY!!
While I was actually in the Army for 30 years, I'm originally from Tidewater, so the Navy is in my blood so to speak. Naming of ships used to be straghtforward, but it's really gotten "confused".
The whole thing seemed to start when CV-42 was re-named the FDR. That carried over when CV-59 was named the Forrestal. We got back on track with Saratoga, Ranger et al, but then we had the JFK.
Subs used to be named after fish, but then we got into the habit of naming them after famous people, which used to be the provence of Destroyers.
Then we started naming "cruisers" after states (i.e. USS Virginia) instead of cities since we no longer had any BBs.
We started to get back on track with the practice of naming "boomers" after states (Ohio class) and Fast Attacks after cities (LA Class), but what the hell is SSN-21 all about???? You start re-numbering hulls because it's the Twenty First Century, and have three boats named Seawolf, Connecticut and Jimmy Carter?
And if THAT'S not bad enought, next they decide to go BACK to the old numbering sequence and start the next class with SSN-774, but decide to use state names again, in this case USS Virginia. Makes total sense to me.
And Arleigh Burke destroyer and Ticonderoga cruiser hull numbers didn't pick up where the last ones ended either. Seems to me to be ignoring your history, but that's just my opinion.
Tom
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 04:29 AM UTC
I can see the trend on naming these new supercarriers after Presidents, but I think they should be deceased. I agree that the state names should be left for Battleships and now "boomers" but DD's and Cruisers should be left as they always have been people's names and cities. But the lament is we are so afraid of remotely offneding any one in any way because they will litigate against someone is a sad example of the times we live in.
blaster76
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 04:34 AM UTC
Just to put this thread back on track. I have progressed to working the island and stack conversions for my Lexington. I have been doing a mix of the plastic and the resin as I actually like the original parts better and have found on several othem that by some cutting and trimming they will re-replace the resin ones. The Flight deck went on OK, better than the ESSEX did when I built her, but I still will have a lot of putty work to do to fill in gaps.
lane
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 05:10 AM UTC
You refer to Scharnhorst - I am working on her sister ship and am looking for pictures/references of operation Berlin (Jan to Mar 1941) configuration. Can you help?
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Quoted TextWell my 1/400 Karel Doorman is standing-by, got to finish some other things (dreadnaughts Scharnhorst, Kübelwagen for a fellow member of Battle Tanks Nederland, VIIB for DDD2, M113 for Nam, 1/72 diorama for Berlin'45 and so on and so on lol)
3 more busy school weeks and then I should have a week of rest. Also got holiday in the last week of february so I hope to build something then as well..
Martin
Sounds good, Martin!
I am very interested in seeing what you can do with this one, Mate! Great subject matter, great entry!
Gunny
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 07:13 AM UTC
hi shipmates....
my progress of the 1/350 USS Enterprise
the island is assembled....with some small details to be added later
the hull are assembled... i found a large gap where the front hull mate with the entire hull.. so i apply roll of putty and sand them smooth
now i'm going to drill a hole at the bottom of the hull so that i can screw the hull to the wodden base
next, painting the hull
good luck mate!
my progress of the 1/350 USS Enterprise
the island is assembled....with some small details to be added later
the hull are assembled... i found a large gap where the front hull mate with the entire hull.. so i apply roll of putty and sand them smooth
now i'm going to drill a hole at the bottom of the hull so that i can screw the hull to the wodden base
next, painting the hull
good luck mate!
Merlin
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Posted: Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 04:23 AM UTC
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Hi Rowan
Just stumbled into this...
Hi Rui
That's great! Many thanks for all your help for this landlubber! :-)
Well - stuff has started arriving!
A (huge!) section of flight-deck and F6F-3 etched details from Eduard - and Verlinden's USN flight deck crew (the pilots are still to follow).
Has anybody here used these figures? My set came without any instructions at all. Although there's probably no difficulty figuring (sorry!
) which limbs belong with which torso etc., the set also includes various tools - and I have no idea what they are. Can anyone identify the objects between the extinguisher bottles?:
The figures don't ssem to be wearing the colourful jerseys in Rui's pics, so I might try some simple mods to depict them. Eeek! My first attempt at figures too...
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 03:37 PM UTC
i just sent off for a white ensign etched set for my airfix ark royal, and after readind through this thread i can't wait to get stuck in!
redneck
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Posted: Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 11:20 PM UTC
Well once more I haven’t had time to do much work on the hornet.
I did manage to spray a coat of paint on her hull last week. Really screwed that up. I think I’m just going to strip it and try again.
I don’t know when I’ll have time to sit down and do some more work.
I did manage to spray a coat of paint on her hull last week. Really screwed that up. I think I’m just going to strip it and try again.
I don’t know when I’ll have time to sit down and do some more work.
Littorio
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Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 01:41 AM UTC
Well after the first bit of etched my second and third bits of railing have not been so hard..... Learning 
Painting some of the airwing for the hanger deck before I fit the flightdeck. Should have the fightdeck fitted by next weekend.
Island fitted and cleaned up ready for etched
Will take and post pictures once the flightdeck has been fitted.
Ciao
Luciano
Painting some of the airwing for the hanger deck before I fit the flightdeck. Should have the fightdeck fitted by next weekend.
Island fitted and cleaned up ready for etched
Will take and post pictures once the flightdeck has been fitted.
Ciao
Luciano
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Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 05:18 PM UTC
Hello, and good Monday morning, my friends!
Sounds as if we all are busy little bee's with our entry's!!! I finally got a chance to start on my own, which is DML's older version of the USS Saipan, in 1/700 scale...had a bugger of a time finding this kit, but persistence paid off! I have seen this kit in finished builds and the result is quite good. Can only hope for the same for myself! I can tell you this, if the rest of the kit goes like the lower hull assembly, then I will need a large amount of antacid for this one, mates! It has a four part hull system, and doesn't fit well at all...will be shaving and patching seams a while on this one! But that's why this hobby is called modeling now, isn't it? How about the rest of our fleet?? Ya' got anything new to tell me??
Gunny
Sounds as if we all are busy little bee's with our entry's!!! I finally got a chance to start on my own, which is DML's older version of the USS Saipan, in 1/700 scale...had a bugger of a time finding this kit, but persistence paid off! I have seen this kit in finished builds and the result is quite good. Can only hope for the same for myself! I can tell you this, if the rest of the kit goes like the lower hull assembly, then I will need a large amount of antacid for this one, mates! It has a four part hull system, and doesn't fit well at all...will be shaving and patching seams a while on this one! But that's why this hobby is called modeling now, isn't it? How about the rest of our fleet?? Ya' got anything new to tell me??
Gunny
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Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 05:30 PM UTC
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Can anyone identify the objects between the extinguisher bottles?:
Hi Rowan
The parts between the extinguishers are the extinguishers "hoses" and "disperses" - these could not be the apropriate words for them - but my fire extinguisher vocabulary needs an update :-)
Skipper
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2006 - 01:23 AM UTC
I managed to get a little bit done. I’ve started getting the pieces ready for its stand and did a little painting.
I’m hoping to find time to get some work done this week.
Might as well point out that a few shots of my badly painted hornet hull in my gallery or in the airbrush forum.
I might just try repainting it with a brush and see what happens.
I’m hoping to find time to get some work done this week.
Might as well point out that a few shots of my badly painted hornet hull in my gallery or in the airbrush forum.
I might just try repainting it with a brush and see what happens.
Merlin
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2006 - 04:07 AM UTC
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Hi Rowan
The parts between the extinguishers are the extinguishers "hoses" and "disperses" - these could not be the apropriate words for them - but my fire extinguisher vocabulary needs an update
Skipper
Thanks Rui
That's clear enough extinguisher vocabulary for me! Doh! It's obvious really, but they really had me scratching my head! :-) Oh, for a simple set of instructions with the kit...
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2006 - 04:51 AM UTC
Hi Rowan
Yes - it would be a nice thouch from Verlinden to put some instructions on their models
The only ones that I got that came with instructions were their midget submarine models...
Oh well... we have the mental gymnastics to figur it out
Keep us updated on your progress
Skipper
Yes - it would be a nice thouch from Verlinden to put some instructions on their models
The only ones that I got that came with instructions were their midget submarine models...
Oh well... we have the mental gymnastics to figur it out
Keep us updated on your progress
Skipper
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2006 - 05:50 AM UTC
Hey guys. I got the hull and deck on my CV-3 Saratoga. I've started updating the island with the 5" dual mounts and the 40mm mounts on the stack. Next is to make my paint mask for the camouflage measure.
Kenny
Kenny
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:48 AM UTC
BTW....if anybody need them, I have the book US Navy Air Combat 1939-1945 that has all the photos in color. It has some great color pics of the Navy's flattops in WW2. So, if you need a reference photo, let me know and I will scan it in for ya. 
Kenny
Kenny
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2006 - 05:17 PM UTC
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BTW....if anybody need them, I have the book US Navy Air Combat 1939-1945 that has all the photos in color. It has some great color pics of the Navy's flattops in WW2. So, if you need a reference photo, let me know and I will scan it in for ya.
Kenny
Hi Kenny
I also got it!
It's a good reference, indeed!
Skipper
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2006 - 09:47 PM UTC
I started cutting the superstructure of the Missouri away for CV-44. I'll start framing in the hangar deck this week sometime.
Jeff
Jeff
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2006 - 10:25 PM UTC
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I started cutting the superstructure of the Missouri away for CV-44. I'll start framing in the hangar deck this week sometime.
Jeff
Hi Jeff!
Hey, are you signed up for the campaign? I didn't see your name on the roster...if you didn't sign up yet, just follow this link:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Campaigns&file=index&req=showcontent&id=84
Welcome to the campaign mate and keep us all posted of your progress!
Gunny
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Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 03:16 AM UTC
Hey Gunny,
Naw, I didn't sign up. Garry and I were working on this project together for some time before he passed away. In fact, it was his idea originally.
I'll sign on.
Jeff
Naw, I didn't sign up. Garry and I were working on this project together for some time before he passed away. In fact, it was his idea originally.
I'll sign on.
Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 04:07 AM UTC
Hey if that naval color book has any color shots of the mahogany deck stain used in the late 30's until late '41 I would really love to have a picture of it. I also would like some color shots of the aircraft in particular the Devastator, Vindicator, and Buffaloe in their yellow and silver colors. If you could scan and send them to me in an email ....... [email protected] I would be most appreciative. I've got great research info on colors and such but a color picture would be of great value to me. Thanks
Steve Joyce
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