Campaigns: Flattops!
This campaign is dedicated to the memory of Garry Beebe.
Garry Beebe's Flattop's Campaign Thread
redneck
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: June 06, 2005
KitMaker: 1,602 posts
Model Shipwrights: 665 posts
Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 09:13 PM UTC

Quoted Text

If your airbrush is taking fits and you can't use it, why don't you try a can of spray? I have had some fantastic finishes turn out using Tamiya's spray can's ...comparable to an airbrush finish, for sure...
Gunny



Thanks for the idea but I would prefer not to have to do that.
I bought about 10 bottles of paint for it and would hate to have to get more paint.
Plus I would have to order it off line (the shipping is cheaper then the gas to get to my closet model store) and wait for it to arrive.

Still if I can’t get the airbrush figured out here soon or get a nice finish with a brush I may just end up doing that.

skipper
Visit this Community
Lisboa, Portugal
Joined: February 28, 2002
KitMaker: 5,182 posts
Model Shipwrights: 4,070 posts
Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 11:04 PM UTC

Quoted Text


Still if I can’t get the airbrush figured out here soon or get a nice finish with a brush I may just end up doing that.



Hi Jacob

I have just seen your "bad paint job" pictures and I have to ask something:
- Did you wash the hull before painting?
- Did you prime it?

You should paint it in a continuous movement from one end to the other and the down a little bit and to the other end - this way the paint will be equal and not in "splotches" or "spots"

About the airbrush dying in your hands - my suggestion would be to disassemble it and clean it properly - it looks like a clogging issue

This is what I can tell from small the pictures

Skipper
Halfyank
Visit this Community
Colorado, United States
Joined: February 01, 2003
KitMaker: 5,221 posts
Model Shipwrights: 1,821 posts
Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 11:34 PM UTC
Jacob one other suggestion. I'm building the Yorktown that is pretty much the same as your Hornet. Personally I prefer to complete most of the assembly before painting. The reason is I have a hard time scrapping away the paint in the areas where I have to glue, and I never seem to get it done right so my glue doesn't hold properly. My plan on my Yorktown it to paint the floor of the hangers then mask off that section when painting. That floor is the only thing I'll paint before I finish assembly. Once everything is put together then I'll paint it all in one go.

redneck
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: June 06, 2005
KitMaker: 1,602 posts
Model Shipwrights: 665 posts
Posted: Monday, January 30, 2006 - 02:03 AM UTC
Thanks guys.

I think I got the airbrush problem figured out over in the painting forum. The paint was probably drying on the end of the needle.

Hopefully I can get it airbrushed now and get back to work.


Rodger that’s sort of my plan as well. I’ll just be doing it in 3 main subassemblies. Its just that the lower part of the hull is dark blue with a lighter blue above it. I plan on getting that darker blue on first and then finishing the hull.

Usually my problems more hiding seams then getting them to stay together.
Halfyank
Visit this Community
Colorado, United States
Joined: February 01, 2003
KitMaker: 5,221 posts
Model Shipwrights: 1,821 posts
Posted: Monday, January 30, 2006 - 02:26 AM UTC

Quoted Text


Usually my problems more hiding seams then getting them to stay together.



Which is another way I am building this puppy before trying to paint it. It has such freaking huge seams that even with plenty of putty I know I'm going to miss some. Once I get it put together I'll give it a light primer coat to see all the areas I missed.

Angry_Ensign
Visit this Community
Wisconsin, United States
Joined: December 24, 2002
KitMaker: 315 posts
Model Shipwrights: 145 posts
Posted: Monday, January 30, 2006 - 03:07 AM UTC
If folks are telling that the paint is drying on the needle, then you've got a couple of options...

First, provided you can, lower the air pressure.

Second, thin the paint. If it's already thin, then chances are you need to add an extender into your thinning agent. What this means, is that if you're thinning acrylics (I presume you're using acrylics) with rubbing alcohol or specific-brand thinner, try adding some water to the thinner.

Alcohol or glycol-based thinners have a rapid evap time. It's great for the paint drying quickly, but sometimes it's dry as it hits the model. This is also a direct cause of a chalky finish on the model if you've ever experienced that.

Keeping the brush clean internally is a must. I typically break my Iwatas down 2-3 times per week, or after a multiple-color spraying session.

If you can afford to, an ultrasonic denture cleaner is a must-have for any serious airbrusher. I picked mine up last year, cost me $60 thereabouts, and I've never had an airbrush problem since. I disassemble the brush, drop it into the cleaner filled with windshield washer fluid, and the next day, even after I've cleaned it, there's gunk in the bottom of the cleaner. Here's a link to the type of unit I have. I picked this up at Target I believe. This says it has a 3-minute timer, but mine doesn't. I can't imagine it working that well that would clean in 3 minutes.

http://www.jewelsmall.com/ulclcd.html

Hope that helps!

Jeff
(I haven't done anything to my carrier, too many FSM projects with deadlines right now)
wingsntreads
Visit this Community
Minnesota, United States
Joined: August 09, 2005
KitMaker: 174 posts
Model Shipwrights: 0 posts
Posted: Monday, January 30, 2006 - 03:38 AM UTC
I'm getting close to finishing mine. As soon as I have pics I will post them
Gunny
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: July 13, 2004
KitMaker: 6,705 posts
Model Shipwrights: 4,704 posts
Posted: Monday, January 30, 2006 - 04:07 PM UTC

Quoted Text

I'm getting close to finishing mine. As soon as I have pics I will post them



Ah, the early bird! ...at this pace Winston, if you would like to build another entry (or maybe two, three? ), then have at it mate! Don't forget to post your pics in the prpoer campaign gallery also.
Gunny
Gunny
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: July 13, 2004
KitMaker: 6,705 posts
Model Shipwrights: 4,704 posts
Posted: Monday, January 30, 2006 - 04:10 PM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text


Usually my problems more hiding seams then getting them to stay together.



Which is another way I am building this puppy before trying to paint it. It has such freaking huge seams that even with plenty of putty I know I'm going to miss some. Once I get it put together I'll give it a light primer coat to see all the areas I missed.




Amen, Mr. Cole!
I am having a bugger of a time with some of the same butt-cramps as you, mate! ...but, it's all part of the hobby! Chin up, chest out, full steam ahead!!!
Gunny
#027
Visit this Community
Louisiana, United States
Joined: April 13, 2005
KitMaker: 5,422 posts
Model Shipwrights: 5,079 posts
Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 09:19 PM UTC
Alllrighty then. The Nimitz is off first! My brother-in-law served on board back in 1978. I'm going to get the two fujimi modern usn aircaft kits and make tiny litle decals for the aircraft. I found a chart that has their markings on the aircraft. I also have some great pics of the deck from the Nimitz's website.

BTW...for all you guys who are doing WW2 flattops, go to World War II in Color . They have some great color pics of Navy flattops.

Kenny
Gunny
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: July 13, 2004
KitMaker: 6,705 posts
Model Shipwrights: 4,704 posts
Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 09:29 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Alllrighty then. The Nimitz is off first! My brother-in-law served on board back in 1978. I'm going to get the two fujimi modern usn aircaft kits and make tiny litle decals for the aircraft. I found a chart that has their markings on the aircraft. I also have some great pics of the deck from the Nimitz's website.

BTW...for all you guys who are doing WW2 flattops, go to World War II in Color . They have some great color pics of Navy flattops.

Kenny



Good choice, Ken!
Sounds like you have a good plan, mate! That site that you listed is terrific, isn't it? I've used it before with really great results! Keep us posted on your progress, Bro!
Gunny
redneck
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: June 06, 2005
KitMaker: 1,602 posts
Model Shipwrights: 665 posts
Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 12:38 AM UTC
I finally got a half decent looking paint job on the hornets hull. I still need to put another coat on it but I think the airbrush is figured out for now.

I’ve also started gluing the stand together for it as well.
Gunny
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: July 13, 2004
KitMaker: 6,705 posts
Model Shipwrights: 4,704 posts
Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 12:43 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I finally got a half decent looking paint job on the hornets hull. I still need to put another coat on it but I think the airbrush is figured out for now.

I’ve also started gluing the stand together for it as well.



That's great news, Jake!
I'm glad you got yer' bugs worked out of yer' airbrush, mate! Full steam ahead!!!
Gunny
redneck
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: June 06, 2005
KitMaker: 1,602 posts
Model Shipwrights: 665 posts
Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 10:11 PM UTC
Got the 3rd coat on last night and took some pictures today.

1st off here is the display stand for the hornet.



There’s a plaque that will go in the middle.
I’m also thinking about painting the anchor cables silver but don’t know yet.


Also here’s the new paint job.



Now I’ll get to glue some more parts on her.
Gunny
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: July 13, 2004
KitMaker: 6,705 posts
Model Shipwrights: 4,704 posts
Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 11:09 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Got the 3rd coat on last night and took some pictures today.

There’s a plaque that will go in the middle.
I’m also thinking about painting the anchor cables silver but don’t know yet.

Also here’s the new paint job.

Now I’ll get to glue some more parts on her.



Looks good, Jacob!
And here's a little hint for your anchor cables....I cheat sometimes and use a silver sharpie marker for cables and stuff...works good, good control...but if you're going to use a clear sealer over it you have to make sure it doesn't contain a solvent that will melt off the silver. Try it on a test piece first!
Gunny
Gunny
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: July 13, 2004
KitMaker: 6,705 posts
Model Shipwrights: 4,704 posts
Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 04:49 PM UTC
Ahoy, Maties!
Good Monday morning to y'all! How about them Steelers, football fans! Woo-hoo!!! ...OK, enough about that...how's our builds coming along? We had a crummy weather weekend again here in PA so that meant lot's of time at the bench for me! I'm pleased to say that I have worked out the bugs in my lower hull of my entry, The USS Saipan, and after much trimming, puttying, sanding and shaving, have actually primed the darned thing, painted the very lower Shine Red and the black waterline stripe with success! Ran into another snag after masking these newly painted areas off to paint the Haze Gray upper, when I noticed that I had ordered the wrong gray paint for the process! Oh, well, new paint is on the way (bless the internet!) and will continue when it arrives...how about the rest of my crew?? Update me on yer progress, maties! AARRGGHH....

Gunny
Clanky44
Visit this Community
Ontario, Canada
Joined: September 15, 2005
KitMaker: 1,901 posts
Model Shipwrights: 934 posts
Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 07:11 PM UTC
I finally started my 350th Hornet over the weekend. The lower hull is complete and I spent over 6 hrs hollowing out the hangar doors. The next step is to create the internal walls of the hangar deck using the templates given in the WEM hangar detail set PE. I'll post some photos soon...

Frank
Halfyank
Visit this Community
Colorado, United States
Joined: February 01, 2003
KitMaker: 5,221 posts
Model Shipwrights: 1,821 posts
Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 08:41 PM UTC
I had a touch of the flue over the weekend so I didn't get much done. I put on a second coat of putty onto the rear end of the flight deck, the island, and both sides fore and aft where the sides are attached. As an aside can I say here I REALLY hate putty! I seem to be particularly sensitive to toxic odors and even with the window wide open, which at 40 degrees outside isn't high on my list of things I want to do, and even had the celing fan on. It still really got to me even with the little amount of putty I was using. Nasty stuff.

skipper
Visit this Community
Lisboa, Portugal
Joined: February 28, 2002
KitMaker: 5,182 posts
Model Shipwrights: 4,070 posts
Posted: Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 08:54 PM UTC
Hi Rodger!

Slightly
Too bad you got sick! I hope you get well soon!
About the toxicity of putty... Have you tryed Milliput (the White one - extra fine)? If you are also skin sensitive you can use some cirurgical gloves to mix the two parts and then you can apply with a scalpel/small spatula - your choice!
It has the advantage of being formet into the place with water, be wet sanded before completely cured (best way) and it is completely odorless!

I have one box that has already 7 years and I have not reached half of it.

Give it a thought!

Skipper
Halfyank
Visit this Community
Colorado, United States
Joined: February 01, 2003
KitMaker: 5,221 posts
Model Shipwrights: 1,821 posts
Posted: Monday, February 06, 2006 - 05:39 AM UTC
I tried to post this earlier, but the Big A hicupped. Probably while deleating the troll's posts. Anyway, here goes again.

Thanks Skip.

I've used two part epoxy putty, though not Milliput, before in other ways. It's great stuff for making tarps, bed rolls, even pack straps and gun slings on armored kits. I did try it once for filling a seam, on my Bismarck, but wasn't happy with the results. It's very hard to spread that way, not like the semi liquid putty I'm trying to use now. I'm sure I put on way too much but it was a real bear to sand. I wore out one sanding stick and even used up a fair amount off a Dremel sanding bit.

My question, to anybody, is is the white Milliput that Skipper suggests fairly thin and easy to spread, or is it a bit like stiff clay, like other two part epoxies I've used? I'm willing to give it a try, though I find that it's normally far more money to use something labled as "model" rather than similar products from the hardware store.

#027
Visit this Community
Louisiana, United States
Joined: April 13, 2005
KitMaker: 5,422 posts
Model Shipwrights: 5,079 posts
Posted: Monday, February 06, 2006 - 07:16 AM UTC
Got the hull and the flight deck together this weekend. I went to the US Navy's website and downloaded great upclose pictures of the deck color and the color of the ship. I'll be putting on the flight deck color tonight.



blaster76
Visit this Community
Texas, United States
Joined: September 15, 2002
KitMaker: 8,985 posts
Model Shipwrights: 3,509 posts
Posted: Monday, February 06, 2006 - 01:00 PM UTC
OK for you folks doing multi-piece flight decks on Aircraft carriers. I like those big 350 scale monsters and they all come three pieces. I am on my 3rd one and while I haven't achieved perfection, I've kept them small enough that sometimes I've bee able to disguise the little gliches with a well placed aircraft (you should see my Nimitz !) Turn deck upside down. Use Testors tube glue semi-liberly. Make sure pieces all butt up against each other fimly. Place SEVERAL heavy books on top. Leave dry a coule of days. I did this 2 week ago for my Lexington and only have a 3/8 long gap about a mm wide to fill in on one seam near the edge. Just a touch of gap filling super glue was all it took. A little lite sanding to lower bumps and a scartch tool to add some detail back to planking. MOdern carriers don't have planking which makes it even easier.
Gunny
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: July 13, 2004
KitMaker: 6,705 posts
Model Shipwrights: 4,704 posts
Posted: Monday, February 06, 2006 - 04:23 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Got the hull and the flight deck together this weekend. I went to the US Navy's website and downloaded great upclose pictures of the deck color and the color of the ship. I'll be putting on the flight deck color tonight.




Hi Kenny!
Looking good so far, mate! Keep up the good work, and keep the progress reports coming in! Thanks!!
Gunny
Gunny
Visit this Community
Pennsylvania, United States
Joined: July 13, 2004
KitMaker: 6,705 posts
Model Shipwrights: 4,704 posts
Posted: Monday, February 06, 2006 - 04:26 PM UTC

Quoted Text



My question, to anybody, is is the white Milliput that Skipper suggests fairly thin and easy to spread, or is it a bit like stiff clay, like other two part epoxies I've used? I'm willing to give it a try, though I find that it's normally far more money to use something labled as "model" rather than similar products from the hardware store.




Hey Rodge!
I can honestly tell you that any Milliput that I have used is as you thought, fairly stiff, but not too stiff, almost like Play-dough (remember that stuff??). Though it is quite easily pliable...only one way to find out for sure and that's to give it a try, eh? And I too agree, mate that anything with a prefix or suffix refering to "Model" or "Hobby" tends to drum up the price by a couple hundred percent!
Gunny