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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:33 AM UTC
Good Sunday afternoon, mates!
You gentlemen are making some fantastic progress on your builds! Looks terrific, and thanks for the progress reports and pic's! Keep up the great work, my friends!
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 08:38 PM UTC

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I tried to post this earlier, but the Big A hicupped. Probably while deleating the troll's posts. Anyway, here goes again.

Thanks Skip.

I've used two part epoxy putty, though not Milliput, before in other ways. It's great stuff for making tarps, bed rolls, even pack straps and gun slings on armored kits. I did try it once for filling a seam, on my Bismarck, but wasn't happy with the results. It's very hard to spread that way, not like the semi liquid putty I'm trying to use now. I'm sure I put on way too much but it was a real bear to sand. I wore out one sanding stick and even used up a fair amount off a Dremel sanding bit.

My question, to anybody, is is the white Milliput that Skipper suggests fairly thin and easy to spread, or is it a bit like stiff clay, like other two part epoxies I've used? I'm willing to give it a try, though I find that it's normally far more money to use something labled as "model" rather than similar products from the hardware store.




Hi Rodger,

The white Milliput is fairly thin and if dilued with water it almost melts away.
Put a little dot in the area, and with your wet finger (or brush) spread it along the seam. Repeat as needed.
You should wet sand milliput about 10-15 minutes after applying it, with a small grit sandpaper - it works for me

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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 08:47 PM UTC

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Hi Rodger,

The white Milliput is fairly thin and if dilued with water it almost melts away.
Put a little dot in the area, and with your wet finger (or brush) spread it along the seam. Repeat as needed.
You should wet sand milliput about 10-15 minutes after applying it, with a small grit sandpaper - it works for me

Skipper



Rui..
Is the Milliput that you're speaking of sold in a small cake? That's what I've got...I know it comes off your fingers easily with warm tap water, but does thinning it reduce the flexibility or durability of it? How about the paint adhesion after thinning?
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006 - 08:01 PM UTC
Hi Mark, Rodger and the rest of the Crew

The thinning here, it's isn't really thinning
You put a dab of it on the model using the point of a x-acto blade, a toothpick or whatever prefered tool

Then, moisten the dab with a drop of water and smoodge it in the gap that need to be filled.
This will make the milliput fill the gap and you can repeat this process until the gap is filled.
You can clean the excess with a wet cloth, and nothing is left on the surrounding areas.
If any detail needs to be scribed, you can make this after ten minutes while it is still not cured and easy to work with.

Milliput [White(Thinner) or Grey/Green(Medium)] came as a two cilinder of epoxy that need to be blended. And it cames in a small card box

Painting it is the same as with the surrounding areas, but priming it is better since it makes the "base colour" uniform.

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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006 - 09:16 PM UTC

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Then, moisten the dab with a drop of water and smoodge it in the gap that need to be filled.

Skipper




Hmmmm..... smoodge??? :-) :-) :-) No, seriously Rui, I get what you mean...there's obviously more than one product manufactured by milliput, because we have two very different beasts here...I'm going to do a little further research and see what I come up with...I bought mine at the local craft shop...
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006 - 09:33 PM UTC
:-) :-) :-)

I'm glad you got it Mark

Graphical help #1:


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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006 - 09:40 PM UTC

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:-) :-) :-)

I'm glad you got it Mark

Entire Milliput Product "List"


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Thanks for the visual aids, Skip! I've got the superfine white...I'm going to try "smoodging" at the workbench later on this evening!
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 01:50 AM UTC
I have finally put all my armour aside and have begun to work on my Flattop entry. I seriously contemplated swiching to the 700 scale Hornet, (it would be a much simpler build) but in the end decided to stick with the 350th scale Hornet.

I have all the White Ensign P.E. sets for this and will attempt to use as much of it as possible. (I have to get my money's worth! ) I've hollowed out about 2/3rds of the hangar deck bay doors, which also meant I had to clean up the inside of the hargar walls where there are massive ejection marks. I used CA glue to fill these holes, therefore it's still visible in the photos.

The next step will be the hangar roof framing which is supplied in P.E. and will be framed by plastic card inner walls, which I will cut with the patterns supplied by WEM. I figure a good supply of gizmology interior will also have to be added. .




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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 02:31 AM UTC
Oh I remember that quite well from my Essex. I plan to do my Hornet "Doolittle" so I'll only open up a couple of doors just to stick in a few of the shipboard aircraft.


My Lexington is progressing like wildfire. Got the flight deck sprayed yellow, masked off the stripes and L-E-X and painted, now it is masked off and I'm going to hit the hull with the light gray when I finish adding all the safety netting I cut off to use the PE
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 02:34 AM UTC
Thanks for the input Skip. I really think that often products like Miliput, are really very similar to non "model" products you can get at the hardware store, or Wal Mart. I've got a two part putty that I'm going to try " smoodging" with a dab of water and see how it turns out. If not I'll see what my LHS gets for white Milliput.

Frank, I don't know why but your island looks different from mine. I'm going to have to look at mine against your photos to compare. Looking good though.

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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 05:00 PM UTC
15 February 2006

"SMOODGE" UPDATE

Hey Skipper, you out there??

I tried your milliput method of "thinning" last night with a different subject than my current Flattops Campaign project, and by golly, works great! I would never have tried to smooth out an epoxy based product with just water on my own. Thanks for the tip!

Rodger, this works really well, I normally use Tamiya Putty for most of my seam filling, but this method may just replace Mr. Tamiya's! I think it's worth a try on your project, sir!

Steve and Frank, your progress reports are well appreciated guys, and sounds great! I love to keep track of all the builds, and follow along as you go...it's like building 25 ship model kits at once! Thanks for keeping the chatter rolling, and do keep it up!

Keep Modeling!
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 05:22 PM UTC

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Frank, I don't know why but your island looks different from mine.



Roger I haven’t worked on the island yet in my kit but I believe ours is missing the slope on the back of the top part. Plus it's a lot more detailed then ours. :-)

Any way great job Frank. Its coming along very well.


I’ll try to post more pictures of my Hornet soon but the only thing deferent from the last pictures is that theres now more putty on it and some of its green.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 06:00 PM UTC

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15 February 2006

"SMOODGE" UPDATE

Hey Skipper, you out there??

I tried your milliput method of "thinning" last night with a different subject than my current Flattops Campaign project, and by golly, works great! I would never have tried to smooth out an epoxy based product with just water on my own. Thanks for the tip!

Rodger, this works really well, I normally use Tamiya Putty for most of my seam filling, but this method may just replace Mr. Tamiya's! I think it's worth a try on your project, sir!
(...)
Keep Modeling!
Gunny



Glad I could help, Mark!

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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 08:43 PM UTC
Working pics





Roders, try and take more pics with a sunny day and against a simple colour backdrop

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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:33 PM UTC
Hi Roderick!
From what I can tell in the pics, your Essex came out really well, mate! But I must agree with Rui as to try to re-take some better shots on a clearer day...I use a simple light blue background for most of my modeling related photography, seems to bring out all of the subtle hues a little better. And don't forget to upload the pic's into the "finished Models" campaign gallery, mate...Thanks for your participation, and there is still lots of time for building another entry, Bro!

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Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 02:50 AM UTC
I think I’ve finally gotten the forward hanger deck puttied and sanded. Still have some work left to go on the rear one.

I’m truly hoping to be adding some more paint soon.

I’ve also just got the bigger tip for my airbrush so the rest of the painting should be a lot easier.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 11:58 PM UTC
Greeting, seas' buddies.

I'm going slowly. Just after the deck, it's time for bridge (at least I think that's the way this "building" is called).
Gee! Too many little things to glue. And I thinking to do the Tamiya Zuikaku 1/700 for Battle of Leyte Gulf campaign. Other smaller parts!





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Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 04:07 PM UTC

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Greeting, seas' buddies.

I'm going slowly. Just after the deck, it's time for bridge (at least I think that's the way this "building" is called).
Gee! Too many little things to glue. And I thinking to do the Tamiya Zuikaku 1/700 for Battle of Leyte Gulf campaign. Other smaller parts!





1/700 is a challenge, isn't it mate?!?...
I've been limping through the 1/700 PE set for my Flattops entry, with tweezers and magnifiers maximus!!
Progress looks GREAT, Gaucho, keep it up!...thanks for the progress report!
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Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 04:32 AM UTC
I’m glad I didn’t try to use PE. From just looking at it I don’t know how you guys do it.

Anyway I’m all most done sanding the hull. I would have had it finished but I’ve been busy this week. I’ll try to get some new pictures of it this weekend.
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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2006 - 01:29 AM UTC

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Oh I remember that quite well from my Essex. I plan to do my Hornet "Doolittle" so I'll only open up a couple of doors just to stick in a few of the shipboard aircraft.



Don't forget there were Wildcats (four, IIRC) spotted at the front of the flight deck, and an SBD tucked away with the B-25s on the aft part of the flight deck during the voyage west.


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My Lexington is progressing like wildfire. Got the flight deck sprayed yellow, masked off the stripes and L-E-X and painted, now it is masked off and I'm going to hit the hull with the light gray when I finish adding all the safety netting I cut off to use the PE



Where can we see some pictures!?
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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2006 - 01:41 AM UTC

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Don't forget there were Wildcats (four, IIRC) spotted at the front of the flight deck, and an SBD tucked away with the B-25s on the aft part of the flight deck during the voyage west.



That is exactly how I plan on showing her, with the fore elevator down and an additional 2 wildcats on the elevator. I'm spending a bit too much time on the hanger deck, and I'm finding the WEM hanger set to be problematic, will have photos posted early next week. ( I've got my clubs 12 hour build, this Saturday, and will need all of Sunday to recuperate from the fumes of 9 modellers packed like sardines in a basement spraying paint and lathering MEK over plastic..... )

Frank
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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2006 - 06:32 PM UTC
Hey guy's found this video thought it may be of some use for all those doing WWII US carriers. Its also in colour.

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/MATINEE.html
Third one down the page 'Landing and respotting'

By the way a bit more pe attached to the Graf and some work on the 'Top secret' item

Ciao
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Posted: Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 02:49 AM UTC
Finally done sanding the hull of the hornet.

Here are some pictures of it.





I’ve also just masked the hull and sprayed a coat of primer over the putty. I’ll be able to start spraying paint on her ether this evening or in the morning.