Campaigns: Dive Dive Dive! 2
This is the second submarine campaign of this name.
DDD2 - SitRep
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Posted: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 07:05 PM UTC

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Hello Skipper


Nice update on the Ko-Hyoteki (I wonder how that translates?).
Looks like a nice clean build so far. I hope you didn't run into any troubles along the way?


Actually yes, and I will tell the full story on my Built Review


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Did you accent the panellines on the conning tower with a pencil?


Nop... the images are of the model after being primed - they are just a little bit deep (or can be a lighting effect).


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I just have a small remark concerning the “thing” just behind the conning tower. It looks like a securing or connection rod, but on the top side it doesn’t seem to be connected to anything?


It isn't behind, but in front of
After painting it will have a cable connecting from the bow to the conning tower and aonther from the rear end of the conning tower to the fin


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As far as my minenleger is concerned , I decided to go ahead and “damage” her considerably. Better that than having to contact Revell for such a small piece which will probably cost me more to get it here than I’ll pay for a new kit.
I will firstly complete her with full hull, take pics, and put them online, after that I’ll let good ol’ Dremel have a go on her, making her waterline, and placing her in a dio.

Problem I ran into is that the deckplate (3 pieces) for the hull is so thick that I can not cut through it anymore to rip out pieces of the plating.. this way I can also not hollow them out to make the waffle-effect you mentionned earlier. I can’t put holes in these plates as a large hole in the outer skin would probably also make a hole in the pressurehull?
Now I’m looking to sand out a piece of a hullplate on the ballasttanks, and replacing it with sheetmetal and bending it slightly inward, with a few small punch holes.
Or sand down a few plates and bending the middle inward , would that look realistic? (like waffle-effect?

This is difficult, and I don’t want to overdo it, but on the other hand, the sub is so low and thin ( in comparison to the length) that it will be difficult to realisticly make her look damaged without people needing binoculars to see what damage she has…


brgds
Warvos



This waffle effect is something that some modelers are trying to achieve for some years, and so far I have only have seen a good one (on a LCM) but in a rather big scale: 1/35!
The way is described on a Tamiya Modeling Mag... In 1/144 the problem is a big challenge...

Perhaps the trick is to make very little damage - after all this minelaying U-boots had very specific missions and they would not have three month missions, right?

Sorry for not being abble to help you more on this Warvos

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Posted: Friday, August 25, 2006 - 06:54 PM UTC
here's a first pic update on my Revell 1/144 VII-d.

I'm now working on damaging her, as you can see on the conning tower. Railing has been bent (or replaced with metal wire, small holes and scrapes added to the tower, and on the lower hull. After this I'll try to recreate a subtle waffle effect on the skin of the ballast tank (very thin plastic there... , and further work out the damage on the nose.
Still have a lot of work, but I love this model. I drilled out the flooding holes and the muzzle of the '88 on deck. Too bad I couldn't drill out the deckplates...
I have a question concerning the lifebuoy which is located on the conning tower (still missing now): in reality, would there be a rope attached to it, or not?
(i'd like to leave the buoy off, like it was ripped of due to the blast of the depthcharge which also destroyed the railing, and have it dangling on a rope a bit lower, or laying on the deck a bit further...




thanks for looking
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Posted: Friday, August 25, 2006 - 08:04 PM UTC
Very interesting Bjorn. Keep us posted. As for me, I've got putty drying on the Sea Tiger. After that is sanded, it's off to the spray booth for black and pink.

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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2006 - 01:55 AM UTC
here's another update on my battle-scarred VII-d. Started reproducing a kind of waffle-effect, to represent the hull getting pushed in by the explosions of deptcharges. hull is now primed and still drying while I took pics. I now need to sand off the sides of the plates which still have too deep cuts in comparison to the rest, but I like the way it looks so far. The damage to the tower is now finalised. I will not try the waffle-effect on the deck, as it's just impossible to do without damaging the patterns on the walkingplates.

let me know what you think so far!.


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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2006 - 02:28 AM UTC

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here's a first pic update on my Revell 1/144 VII-d.

I'm now working on damaging her, as you can see on the conning tower. Railing has been bent (or replaced with metal wire, small holes and scrapes added to the tower, and on the lower hull. After this I'll try to recreate a subtle waffle effect on the skin of the ballast tank (very thin plastic there... , and further work out the damage on the nose.
Still have a lot of work, but I love this model. I drilled out the flooding holes and the muzzle of the '88 on deck. Too bad I couldn't drill out the deckplates...
I have a question concerning the lifebuoy which is located on the conning tower (still missing now): in reality, would there be a rope attached to it, or not?
(i'd like to leave the buoy off, like it was ripped of due to the blast of the depthcharge which also destroyed the railing, and have it dangling on a rope a bit lower, or laying on the deck a bit further...



Wouldn't the lifebuoy be buoyant? I believe it would be stored below and brought up when the boat surfaced. Otherwise it would have to be tied to the rail to keep it from floating away-not too handy if you need to untie it to toss it to someone who has fallen overboard. In any case if a close aboard explosion occured, it would most likely be ripped off and rise to the surface instead of falling on the deck.

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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2006 - 04:41 AM UTC
Actually Rob, according to Squadron's Uboats in Action, most of the time the life ring was kept below.
Hey Tom, you're doing a Los Angeles too? I'm doing the Baton Rouge as she was commisioned. I'm hoping to get her together and with a coat of paint and the pink on the Sea Tiger over the long weekend.
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2006 - 06:53 PM UTC

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here's another update on my battle-scarred VII-d. Started reproducing a kind of waffle-effect, to represent the hull getting pushed in by the explosions of deptcharges. hull is now primed and still drying while I took pics. I now need to sand off the sides of the plates which still have too deep cuts in comparison to the rest, but I like the way it looks so far. The damage to the tower is now finalised. I will not try the waffle-effect on the deck, as it's just impossible to do without damaging the patterns on the walkingplates.

let me know what you think so far!.
Warvos



Hi Warvos
It looks good and I admire your courage!
As for the Lifebuoy, and has Rod already has mentioned it was kept in most of the time... on the situation you are depicting your U-boot (arriving to the pens) it should be placed, if not in place (could be damaged) at least on the bridge or even on the raillings

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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2006 - 10:03 PM UTC
Hey Skip, Rob, Subhunter


thanks for the info guys
I'll just place one buoy on the railing.. should also be an interesting sight...


more pics to follow shortly!!
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 03:00 PM UTC
Bjorn, that's looking VERY good, mate!
The waffle effect battle damage is quite convincing. . . keep up the great work!
~Gunny
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 01:56 AM UTC

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Hey Tom, you're doing a Los Angeles too? I'm doing the Baton Rouge as she was commisioned.



Kenny, yes, I'm doing the Columbus (SSN 762) which is actually an "improved" Los Angeles. Are you using Dragon's 1/350 kit?

I already found several issues with this kit to make an Improved 688 boat, even though that's what this kit is supposed to be (Hampton). I'm documenting what I am doing to make it more correct.

It's been a while since I've been down to my basement (lots going on at the moment!) and I can't remember if the Dragon kit is set up to make a regular 688, one with the planes on the sail and no tubes for the missles up front.

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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 03:08 AM UTC
Hey Tom,

I have the Dallas vs Alpha kit in 1/350. They have the parts to make each of the three different types of LA class boats.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 11:22 PM UTC
I reall like the battle damage on your VIID Bjorn. A very good idea and well executed. Can't wait to see it finished!!

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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 02:54 AM UTC

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Hey Tom,

I have the Dallas vs Alpha kit in 1/350. They have the parts to make each of the three different types of LA class boats.



Good to know. I know that some of the modifications I've had to make to the "Hampton" to make it accurate won't apply to the early 688's for example the incorrect placement of two of the missile hatches.

One thing for sure with the Hampton, if you look at the shape of the sail in the "plan view" (from the top) the shape is identical front to back. However on the real boats, the front is a whole lot more rounded and blunt, and the rear tapers like the kit parts, making the whole thing a lot more tear drop shaped. I'm not sure if the early boats were like that but for sure the I-688s are. I had to add a fair amount of putty to fatten it up.

The other thing that for sure isn't right for the later boats, is that funky arrangement on the stern with sets of vertical fins on the both sides of the stern planes. I know the improved 688s don't look that way, and I don't think the early boats like Baton Rouge did either. I also added some external pylons at the stern which are for decoys, which I know at least the two boats my son served on (Columbus and Boise) had. These boats also had a different arrangement for the towed array which is slightly different from the kit.

I was told that not every boat was fitted out this way, so having someone with first hand knowledge helps.

And I believe there are some differences between the early and later boats in the arrangement and placement of the periscopes etc on the sail.

But unless you're a real stickler for accuracy (mine had to be right because I'm giving to my son!) it probably doesn't matter.

Tom
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:36 AM UTC
Hey Tom,

Are these boats really a blue-black? I'll be working on mine this weekend. Got the hull together this week.

Kenny
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Posted: Friday, September 01, 2006 - 01:56 AM UTC
Boy, that's a good question. In photos they seem to have a slight blueish tint, perhaps due to the water. And of course when you're working in 1/350 I guess you're supposed to lighten the paint due to the scale effect.

When I did the Boise for DDD, I used Tamiya Flat Black, and I think I lightened it just a bit. My kit looks flatter than some of the close ups you see, but my son seemed happy with it.

Tom

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Posted: Friday, September 01, 2006 - 05:27 PM UTC
Ahoy, mates!
Well, the remnants of Ernesto is piling up in the raingage out back of my house, which gives me a perfect excuse to stay inside and play at the workbench all day . . . still spreading putty on the seams of my 33G Chinese Sub, and still nothing worth taking a photo of (sorry, guys), but I promise to show you something once the primer is on!
This kit is a total puttyfest so far, and it's going to be a bit until I can make any true progress. But thanks to Mr. Tamiya's basic putty, the seams and imperfections are slowly smoothing over!
Back to work!
Cheers,
~Gunny
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:02 AM UTC
Progress report...

I've got the first coat of pink on the Sea Tiger and the first two colors on the Baton Rouge.

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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 06:23 PM UTC
Photo progress report....

Here she is, the USS Sea Tiger with the first coat of 12 parts white and 8 parts red.


And here's my 1/350 USS Baton Rouge.


The white on the nose is because I'm going to be doing this...



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Posted: Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 01:18 AM UTC
Got paint on them. They both need to be touched up.



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Posted: Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 05:00 PM UTC
Ahoy mates, my SITREP is as follows!

Another perfectly rainy weekend here in the Northeast, so a great modeling opportunity was well emphasized here. . .made a good bit o' progress on my 33G, primer applied, and upper Haze Gray applied, about to begin to mask for the lower Dull Red application.
Sail is completely built, detailed, and painted, as well: missile tubes, the same. . .this is a very interesting model subject, mates, and should turn out to be a unique end display (if I don't screw anything up! )
How bout the rest of ye' ? How are you doing on your builds???
~Gunny
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Posted: Monday, September 25, 2006 - 01:52 AM UTC
Believe it or not....I may actually have one finished in time...Steve is going to get through this campaign! (and the crowds did rejoice)...that is,...when is the end of this one?
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Posted: Monday, September 25, 2006 - 03:39 AM UTC

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Believe it or not....I may actually have one finished in time...Steve is going to get through this campaign! (and the crowds did rejoice)...that is,...when is the end of this one?




:-) :-)

You're TOO much, Mr. Arthur!
3/25/07, my friend. . .lot's of play time!!
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Posted: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 03:32 AM UTC
Hey all


here's a first teaser on my VII-d minelayer project, "U- 213"
More pics to follow soon, aswel as some more info about what I tried to do here...
IN short: portside should show her during training in the Baltic sea, slightly damaged, , with trainingmarks etc, and starboardside showing her during her final moments, under attack and heavily damaged by deptcharges...





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Posted: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 04:30 AM UTC
Looks awesome Bjorn. Can't wait to see more.

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Posted: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 10:36 PM UTC
Nice one Bjorn! Love the dent in the ballast tanks and man is she war weary!

So, when are you going to WOW us with another awesome water scene? I still can't get over that last one with the water coming over the deck of the sub...and I've been too chicken to try it myself.